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I remember reading somewhere that army list are shared information but I can't find it in the Warhammer rule book. The question came up from my orc & goblin player because he wanted to know if he had to tell me what unit his fanatics are concealed in. Thanks!
Its really up to the players at the time, but there are no rules specifying that you need to show your opponant your list.
Generally its obvious what units you have, and command models / Characters etc.
In personal opinion though, its best to keep the location of such things as magic items / fanatics / assassins etc secret until they come into play. The game is better that way.
Thanks for your fast reply!
no problem dude, i was just in the right place at the right time.
Some tournaments have open lists where you can check everything your opponent has but otherwise, everyone I have ever met keeps things like magic items and fanatics hidden.
Netters should be obvious.
I recommend that prior to the game you mark out your deployment areas and stick both your armies centre table.
If you don't know for sure your opponent understands all your special rules, offer to explain them.
Go through each of your units in turn saying what they are and then the same with character figures.
To give a little more detail:
Magic items are secret, fanatics are secret but many things are not (or at least the way I was taught to play):
The little wisp things WE can use (that there is one, not what it does)
Most IMPORTANTLY, when you deplay your units be sure you TELL YOUR OPPONENT WHAT TYPE OF MUNdANE WEAPON(S) THAT UNIT IS USING. I remember one game where my opponent did not make note of his Chaos Hero having a GW who was with a unit of knights so I charged the unit of knights with two units of chariots (6) and whatya know..my chariots were all destroyed from Str 7 hits and then on his turn he charged my last unit of chariots and killed them too. Frustrating as hell it was.
Last edited by Coolock; November 7th, 2007 at 15:56.
I was actually thinking of another game system where everything was public knowlege. I can understand the fanatics but how do you deal with 2 identical models with different magic items, say like 2 goblin shamans, one with a dispel scroll and one without? If I kill a shaman how do I know if it was the one with the scroll or not?
The general rule for most tourney's as far as I know is:
-You have to give a copy of you list to you're opponent before the game.
-The list must contain any unit upgrades/command options you took.
-The list must contain how many points of magic items you spent on each character.
This means that you do not have to tell your opponent which magic items/weapons each character has or how many scrolls you have. But, when you use scrolls, do make sure you remember which mage is using them in the case you have multiple scroll caddies, and be sure to let your opponent know.
As for Fanatics, I'm not sure if they have to be listed under the unit upgrades or not, but if you're playing an opponent running a goblin heavy army, it's best to assume that there are fanatics waiting for you.