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All the TK players I know play icfb that you place a marker for each unit and on turn two roll a dice for each marker to see if they arrive. But now we realised that may not be the case. After reading the rules a bit more carefully, we now think maybe you roll 1d6 from turn 2 and on a 4+ all the units come on.
E.G. 3 scorpions using icfb. place 3 markes. turn two roll 1d6 get a 5 and all the scorpions turn up and then you roll scatter and atillery and then all markers go direction shown on that 1 scatter dice and atillery dice.
This may be wrong but thats we came up with after reading the rules more carefully.
You roll a d6 per unit that is using ICFB. Not 1 per turn.
The way that the rule is written (grammatically) in the army book lead me to believe that one D6 effects the action of ALL units utilizing their ICFB ability.
The way that the book explains rolling Scatter and Artillery dice lead me to believe that you roll for each unit individually.
"At the beginning of each Tomb Kings turn, except for the first, roll a D6 to determine if the creatures emerge" (p. 29 par. 1).
"When the creatures emerge, roll a Scatter dice and an Artillery dice. If you roll a Hit on the Scatter dice, the marker stays in place; if you roll an arrow, move the marker the distance indicated..." (p. 29 par. 2).
According to my understanding, it says to roll a single D6, to determine if the "CREATURES" (plural) emerge meaning that one D6 effects ALL the creatures (units) since it was written in plural form. If you think about it, if they had meant for players to roll a seperate D6 for each individual unit they would have wrote that sentence using the quoted words singular form; that would give the player the common sense interpretation to apply it to each unit he has in his army that uses ICFB individually since one D6 would effect a single unit as oppose to ALL units insinuated by the writer by using plural form.
As for Scatter and Artillery dice, I believe that the player is supposed to roll seperately for each unit. I interpreted it this way because of the way the second quote has been written. It states that, "when creatures emerge" after rolling the appropriate Scatter and Artillery dice you are to move your "MARKER" (singular) based on your roll. It is to my understanding that if they had intended for one Scatter and Artillery dice roll to determine the final position for ALL units they would have said something along the lines of "When the creatures emerge, roll a Scatter and an Artillery dice. If you roll a Hit on the Scatter dice the "MARKERS" (not marker) stay in place. If you roll an arrow, move the "MARKERS" the distance indicated..." Since they use singular form for markers it would seem like common sense to treat rolls as effecting a single unit as oppose to all units in which case I'm sure they would have used MARKERS instead.
As far as errata or official GW rulings on this I don't know what they have declared. But I do know that grammar has a big effect on a lot of rules in this game, and this is a perfect example. By comparing grammar that's what I've come up with but I might be wrong haha it's just how I've been playing the rule. If anyone has a better interpretation on the rule please correct me where I'm wrong, even tho I prefer playing for fun I do like to play correctly! Haha thanks guys hope my post helps kinda? Or just adds to a budding conversational topic.
Last edited by aalmazan_blg; May 19th, 2008 at 09:30. Reason: haha ironically, grammar
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Its 1 D6 per unit per turn. ''Creatures'' is just to save them writing out Swarms and Scorpions. Which i just have, so less work for them, more for me
But to save time and be clear they would just write for each creature rather then creatures.
"...roll a d6 to determine if the creatures emerge."
If it was each creature, as below, it would be clear cut but as above it indicates that it is 1d6
"...roll a d6 to determine if each creature emerges"
Take the new books as a prime example. GW have a habit of being unclear. Afaik its always been played as one roll per ICFBing unit, as all other rules of this type are (reserves etc)
It would be too much of a risk vs. reward scenario if they all relied on one roll. Would you really risk anywhere from 45 to 300 or so points on that?
I have always played it as one roll per ICFB unit. I think the book is at least fairly clear on implying that, and common sense should fill in the rest of the gaps. You bury each unit individually, so they should come up the same way.