A Beginners Guide to Tomb Kings

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

...i can explain if you want but if youre happy to take my word for it thats great

Heh, dont worry, the quote is from a different post, ill explain this one out lol.

So, Spear skellies...

You chose Bowmen, as they are the cheapst setup, and you get some shooting in.

You upgrade to HW/S/LA at an increased cost for a reason, to make the skellies a better sponge by having a save.

Again, increasing their cost further, you decrease their save in combat, resulting in a less effective sponge static ComRes unit.

So, what do you gain? Assuming the unit is 5 wide, you gain 5 WS2 S3 attacks, which will be able to hurt, approximately nothing. Possibly Zombies since their stat reduction. And even then, these extra attacks are only granted if you take a charge or in prolonged combat.
And, lets face it, if the skellies take a charge, chances are youll lose so many against the charging enemy that the 3/10 A you get back will do nothing. In prolonged combat, you wont often be striking 1st with your Initiative, again same thing.
If you get the charge, maybe the front rank will put in a wound or two, but against the returned blows, your poor save will do little to help you.

In short, the change in the role of the skellies does not justify the increase in their pts cost.

[Hiratu]

Care to share why the casket should not be put on a base? You got me curious.

Also, what are the different uses for the light/heavy cavalry? Neither seems like they would be able to kill anything and would have to win combat through static cr.

[Phoenix]

Simply, Casket on a base increases base size, meaning enemy units are slightly more likely to be in charge range etc. Although it would slightly increase Terror range, i personally never find the terror too key a factor in any game. And as LoSs are drawn to the Casket, not its base etc, then larger base will have no effect there.

Light Cav:
- units of 5/6
- good accompany for a priest w/ SoRav
- handy for enemy flank irritation

Heavy Cav:
- units of 10+, with Music, banner and magic banner (UDL or War
- actually not bad for static res, often will outnumber (+ fear )
- run 6 wide for lots of attacks, pretty good flankers
- For the points Chariots are generally better, but these can move through terrain.

[Triumph Of Man]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

1 - If there is no King to put there yet, then Yes For combat at least, for the fist few phases, consider attaching your Prince to the nearby SSC so he can use his MWBD on it, and then in turn 2 say, move him to join the TG. May have to be earlier, or even later, depends how well the SSC does and how fast the enemy is.

2 - Yes

- No problem I enjoy it.

I just feel inclined to point out that you risk a 1/12 chance of getting the Prince killed by a bad misfire roll. Not a high one, but it's cost me games before.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Triumph Of Man

I just feel inclined to point out that you risk a 1/12 chance of getting the Prince killed by a bad misfire roll. Not a high one, but it's cost me games before.

Nope, fortunately for us Characters can never be harmed by Warmachine Misfires (Main rulebook, Warmachine section) So your Prince will be safe

[Triumph Of Man]

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[Tutankhankh]

If this is an inappropriate thread for posting these question, moderators are of course welcome to delete this post.

First, I'm new to Warhammer and 40k, and I'm currently building up my first armies. For 40k, this will be a Dark Angels force, whereas my choice for WHFB is... well, yeah. The reason I chose TK is because I think they look cool (Except for the SSC, which I'm planning to convert into something slightly less tacky, the Bone Giant - which I'm leaving out - and the liche priest on foot, where a simple torso swap should do the trick; more than made up for by the TK with GW and Ushabti.), and because I like the idea of having to coordinate my entire army and using brains rather than just relying on a killer list. The challenge aspect also appeals to me.

Well, the point is, I'm a n00b, and I have some questions that appropriately reflect this fact. So let's get crackin', already:

- Chariots - I just got a pack of them today. What weapon should I arm them with? It seems to me that bows would not be the best choice. Is this true? If so, should I go for spears or HW? How about command? Standard or musician or both?
- If I get an army of appropriate size, would a King be better bang for da bukz than a Prince? And should I go for Liche Priests, or High Priests, or both? Should my Hierophant be a High Priest or the vanilla edition? And is there an actual difference in the Priest/High Priest or King/Prince models, or is it all stats?
- My current tac is simple: Place my bowmen on a hill, with the SSC behind it. Use the catapult to draw my foes towards my skellies, who whittle them down, and then hit them with... something. Should this be a fast unit - i.e., chariots - or should I use some slower-but-tough unit - that would be Ushabti?
- What, exactly, is the role for a Scorpion in my army? Carrions? Swarms? Chariots - are they anything else than harriers?

Thank you in advance for your patience and understanding.

[Phoenix]

This is a fine thread for you nto post in, and let me kick off with a warm welcome to the ranks of our legions

Well, the point is, I'm a n00b, and I have some questions that appropriately reflect this fact. So let's get crackin', already:

- Chariots - I just got a pack of them today. What weapon should I arm them with? It seems to me that bows would not be the best choice. Is this true? If so, should I go for spears or HW? How about command? Standard or musician or both?
The Warriors in the chariots have both spears and bows, use one at range and one in combat. The chariot drivers just have hand weapons (whips). It doesnt really mater how you model them to be honest, when it comes to the bits on the sides they are just for show. As for Command, never bother with a Champion. Only take a StandardBearer in a unit of 4, or 3 + Character, and Musician is rarely seen. For now, a basic unit of 3 Chariots does just fine.

- If I get an army of appropriate size, would a King be better bang for da bukz than a Prince? And should I go for Liche Priests, or High Priests, or both? Should my Hierophant be a High Priest or the vanilla edition? And is there an actual difference in the Priest/High Priest or King/Prince models, or is it all stats?
There is no diference in models. At 2K pts, the Lord choice is all down to personal preferance. I always go with a King. The extra cost isnt just for the statline, but also for his additional bonus'. Core chariots? Yes please!
At 3K, defenitely grab both a High Priest AND a King.

- My current tac is simple: Place my bowmen on a hill, with the SSC behind it. Use the catapult to draw my foes towards my skellies, who whittle them down, and then hit them with... something. Should this be a fast unit - i.e., chariots - or should I use some slower-but-tough unit - that would be Ushabti?
Sounds good. Chariots work better in smaller games as they aree cheaper. When your force builds, then look towards some Ushabti.

- What, exactly, is the role for a Scorpion in my army? Carrions? Swarms? Chariots - are they anything else than harriers?
Attacking enemy warmachines, as well as lone character hunting. The Scorp +Swarm special rule (ICF can really worry opponants, and with a god magic setup, carion can easily get a 1st turn charge.

Thank you in advance for your patience and understanding.
No Problem Here to help

[Tutankhankh]

Thank you very much for a prompt, helpful and informative answer. I don't know if this is the proper way to do things (yet), but I'll give you my rep all the same.

Now, I only have one more question: Where do I find all the cool wargear, like the CoD etc.? Do they come premodelled on my HQ units?

[Phoenix]

Thank you very much for a prompt, helpful and informative answer. I don't know if this is the proper way to do things (yet), but I'll give you my rep all the same.
Spot on The rep system is great for showing appreciation and as a thanks to other members.

Now, I only have one more question: Where do I find all the cool wargear, like the CoD etc.? Do they come premodelled on my HQ units?
Fantasy isnt so much like 40K, in that the WYSIWYG rules arent so tight. If you read the fluff of the item, its astually a Cloak of Sand which rises, so i doesnt need to bve presant all the time. Same with many other items really. Even a magic ''Sword of Might'' can be modelled as an Axe or other if you want.