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Alright, so i was wondering if having a liche priest on a skeletal steed an putting him in a unit of cav would be a good option. it gives him 8 movement. (only 2 less than the current cloak of the dunes) and he has a unit to protect him from shooting and the like. i was thinking of setting him up like this if its a high liche priest:
HLP: Skeletal Steed, feed back scroll, collar of shapesh, and either the broach or ruby ring?
and for a regular liche priest it would be:
LP: Skeletal Steed, Collar of Shapesh, Hieratic Jar
What do u guys think of these set ups? and would the cav be a good body guard. if so should i use fast cav or heavy cav?
First things first is that if you put your liche in with a unit of light horseman, they will loose their fast cav rules ( I know we cant march but no re-forms at the end of movement will really hurt them)........ just something you need to keep in mind.
You LP set up is one I use but not mounted, it works but I usually keep him hidden behind a nice big fat wide unit of archers. I would be personally giving both of these guys the staff of ravenging, 18" 3D6 S2 is pretty good and with the M8 of the horse you will be able to get it into range of the vast majority of your oppoents army reasonably quickly. Either way they are nice set-ups IMHO, but with the rules for fast cav being what they are your light horseman are going to be very difficult to get them where you need them (the loss of a vanguard move hurts a bit too...) and I honestly dont think I would ever field heavy horsemen and I dont think I have ever seen them fielded ever in my time playing Warhammer.
If you would like to go down this road with the LP on a pony, I would put him in the Light horseman. I wouldn't personally use this option with the HLP, not enough figures in a unit of horseman to protect him well enough, plain and simple easy target.....
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If you put a high priest on a steed, it'll be like putting a HUGE bullseye on that unit. Fast cavalry or not. That unit will be shot to pieces (especially with the new swift reform rule), a unit that has marginal armour (heavy cav) or virtually no armour (light cav). Either way, both will be moving at a slow 8" with no free reforms on either. The "bodyguards" will be lost really quickly and you'll soon see the unit size drop below 5 which comes with the loss of the look-out-sir.
TK cavalry by themselves is suspect, but with a priest it's even more suspect. The regular priest with the staff on fast cav was a 7th edition choice of mine, but with the loss of fast cavalry rules when a character joins for 8th (plus the fact that they weren't really good fast cavalry in the first place) I don't use it anymore.
My LHP gets a 4+ ward and the cloak (yes, I still give him the cloak; it's still handy to fly even if it's only 10") along with an arcane goodie and the only LP I ever use is the one on the casket if I take it.
I'd only take a mounted priest to make him the bearer of a staff of ravening, and then I'd almost certainly give him an escort, mainly for a "look out, Sir!" save, but also to dilute mundane incoming fire. I can't imagine a use for a mounted LP other than offensive magic (the staff plus the incantation produces a decent amount of magic missile dice rolling)...
/edit/ I just noticed that you specified a high priest, JL177. I agree with what you're saying about a mounted HLP, but what about just an LP?
Last edited by Marnepup; December 13th, 2010 at 21:34.
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For one, you now lose fast cavalry when a character joins. That's not a huge a hit as other armies because TK fast cav is not nearly as good as other fast cav (can't march, can't flee, etc), but still a hit none-the-less.
Two, swift reforms. Units can turn/reform, move, and still shoot your cavalry even if you try and harass them in the flank or rear. Oh, and they'll be shooting you with 2 ranks now. And with T3 virtually no armour (light cav), I would think your look-out-sir can be eliminated fairly easily unless you take a huge unit of cav (which would be very expensive especially with the priest in there). You can try and heal the unit with the priest, but now you're using the priest to repair damages rather than dish out damage which was the whole purpose of the unit.
Combine issues 1 and 2 to get issue 3: now you have a unit that swift reformed and moved towards your fragile cavalry. But because you aren't fast cav and can't march, it could be somewhat difficult to move away. And with charge ranges generally increased in 8th edition it can be even more dangerous for them since they can't flee; they are finished if they get into combat.
The best parts of fast cav are that they can vanguard, march and shoot, free reform, and use feigned flight. And you lose all of that when you put the priest in there (if you even had it in the first place because it's TK fast cav).
All that said, it still can be used. Things don't always work out the same on the table as it does in theory. And I probably will try it out again because I really did like that unit. But it just seems like more of a delicate unit now for such marginal offensive output. I prefer to have as few as possible units that require babysitting and care.