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So, the dust has settled, the night is quiet and I thought that it would be a good idea to see what everyones thoughts on the new book are since all the hype of a new release has gone.
We have all had time to go over it, try it out, tweak, fiddle, complain, explain, read, re-read, come up with dastardly ploys etc.
What do you think of the latest incarnation of the Vampire Counts? Lets get some discussion going.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (It's time to roll the dice)- Mattrim Cauthon
So now as you say the dust has settled my thoughts are: I dont like it that much as the last edition.
Sure it has new tricks, sure it has new units and new rules but at the end of the day GW makes new armys something like a fluff hybrid with sales boost. Ill explain...
Whenever they see fit they use fluff rules and models simply cause they like it, this does not mean that they are playable or competitive (peasants for example...nice fluff but a joke on the field).
Next, whenever they want to sell they give something like Blood Knights, great for the army, true combat unit but what about the price????
So in general i thing the GW approach to the new armys (including VC) is exactly that, u will get army lists that are not playable and you or your opponent have no chance to win, or super characters riding extreme dragons in 2k (HE anyone?) or steam tanks or blood knights etc. U have money? You have a cheese list.
So as i already said i dont like it as much as the last edition.
So your issue with not liking the new VC as much is because the models that are "good" cost money?
Secondly you seem to not like the new VC as much because GW is using a product they created to make a profit?
It seems that you're real issue is with financing a new army, not the army itself.
There really isn't any unit in the VC list that is useless, with the possible exception of bat swarms. If you have an issue with the cost of the Zombie Dragon and Cavalry in the VC list, it is perfectly feasible to make a competitive list without them.
My 2k army has no cavalry. It is completely infantry with the exception of dire wolves (not that expensive), a corpse cart, and a varghulf.
As to the topic at hand. I really like the new book. I think it was a good idea to focus the list on vampires instead of necromancers and the new lore is amazing in my opinion. I also really enjoy the customization of vampires, there was no reason my Carstein lord hadn't learned how to wear armor in the hundreds of years of his unlife.
I like the core too. I kind of wish that ghouls still skirmished, but oh well. I like that my skeletons can take magic banners now. The new models are lovely as well. Corpse Carts are amazing.
Also love my Grave Guards new Great Weapons and models.
Again, I really like the new book. Many people like to gripe and complain about some of the vague rules and whatnot. But in the whole scheme of things it is a great book.
Last edited by Phaeron Typhoon; May 3rd, 2008 at 04:29.
"I am the architect of fate!"
I agree that the new book is a great idea to have it actualy focuse on the Vampires. My only issue is the models. In my opinion the new ones suck compaired the the old ones. The vargul and the corps cart look cool but the ghouls look dumb and i dislike the style of the new vampires. I'm thinkin of trying to hunt down some of the older vampires before they don't sell them any more. Also I'm hoping for a plastic Vampire kit.
On a good note i don't thing that there is a single new unit that i think isn't useful.
Army's used: Space Wolves, Tomb Kings, High Elves, Tyranids, Tau and Eldar.