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hi guys, i'm fairly new to warhammer, and to librarium online.
i love the dragon models so i realy want to include one in my army.
what kind of powers and items should i give the lord mounted on her back?
she's going in a heavy magic skelleton army.
i'm thinking something like this
lord of the dead
i'm probably going to need some kind of ward/armour save what would be best?
thanks for the help guys seems like a great site and great people
A lot of people seem more inclined to have their Dragon mounted lord a combat monster, or as near as our army book allows!
Going from memory (from what I've seen of other people's builds)
That banner or bloodline power that boosts combat resolution
Some kind of armour and/or ward save
The magic-slinging Zombie Dragon lord is interesting, though... I don't know if I've seen anyone on these forums trying that, though it's quite possible I'm wrong...
That way maximises the effectiveness of both rider and dragon - the safest place for a dragon in a war machine rich environment is in combat, and if your lord is going to be going along for the ride, it would do to be equipped to survive and defeat enemies in combat.
Infinite Hatred, Red Fury, Walking Death, Flayed Hauberk, Bloodrinker, Cursed Book, Gem of blood
Basically, you have a Vampire immune to poison and killing blow, with a 2+ armour save. He is at -1 to hit by virtue of the Zombie Dragon, and causes terror for the same reason. And for one round only, any enemy attacking him in combat are at WS1. He also has a 2+ ward for the first wound suffered in close combat.
He rerolls misses, and any wounds he does score generate additional attacks. Each successful wound also heals a wound scored on him or a unit he is with - i.e. the Zombie Dragon.
Now if you select your enemy carefully, you will score some heavy hits, and can hopefully recover some wounds lost to missile fire.
Against Elves (Dark or High) or Slaanesh enemies, I would opt for NightShroud and Wristbands of black gold, so that even the Zombie dragon gets to strike before the enemy.
Ok thanks guys
i'm not sure what to do in that case cause i love dragons and i would like to include one in my army, but i also love magic and want to make a magic army i suppose the best thing would be to take the dragon in 3000 point battles?
any suggestions of how i would make a magic one though i might try one cause i would love one if i could:-)
again thanks for the help!
I feel your pain - its nice to be able to take magic users on big nasties, but since Herohammer was firmly killed with the release of 6th Edition (4th and 5th could be woefully abused - e.g. the Doomlord Dieter Helsnicht and the Lichemaster Heinrich Kemmler were powerful combatants AND very good Wizards!), generally speaking magic users and combat characters have a very wide distinction.
The same is generally as true for Vampires, a "balanced" vampire will be eaten in combat by a Blood-Dragon-esque archetype and does not have the power to dominate the magic phase like a magic-heavy Vampire. All of them are, of course, significantly better fighters than characters from most other armies.
however, as the thread states, the best combination with a Zombie Dragon is a vampire who does not rely on teh Dark Arts, and is more "direct", and as such close-combat orientation is the way to go, as if you have invested heavily in both the character and the mount, the best thing is to get the synergies from both, otherwise you will be wasting the attacks of the dragon, or putting a weaker character into harms way.
Same goes for my otehr army - High Elf Dragons should be Star Dragon/Prince variety, I hold little truck with Dragon mages, unless the mage can be given a significant amount of protection in order to be able to use his superior casting abiltiy, but this then means that the mage cannot be as aggresive magically as I would like. Of course a vampire is much harder than an archmage, but carries his own disadvantages..
A Magic Lord on Dragon is not hard to do and still keep him combat efficient. The Fact that your a Vampire makes you better than most and with the 2+ armour save and the Carstein Ring as backup you don't have to worry about getting in too deep. I would remove the Lord of the Dead as thats not going to help much.
The Combat Dragon Lord can still be pretty good at magic seeing as you can be a lvl 3 caster. I realize most people don't like the crown but at Ld 10 your pretty safe.
Being lvl 3 can be made up by having 2 lvl 2 vampires with lord of the dead/summon ghouls.
Magic Lord on Dragon
Forbidden Lore, Dark Acolyte, Infinite Hatred
Carstein Ring, Flayed Hauberk
Combat Lord on Dragon
Red Fury, Infinite Hatred, Beguile
Blood Drinker, Flayed Hauberk, Crown of the Damned
Kithre how is your vampire immune to KB and poison?
Ah typo - I changed out magic items and forgot to amend the descriptions :-P
If people see you Vam lord with dragon it will be the first target to be shoot so becareful.
Depending on the enemy you face A Vampire Lord with forbidden Lore and Lore of Fire could be a good magic heavy option while on a dragon. Fly in behind enemy lines and let Fireballs/Terror do the rest. If any of the enemy have the bright idea of attacking you then the Dragon and flaming Sword of Rhun will be rather deadly.
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