Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
I'm a nub to fantasy and I want to play VC and people say their OP? I can't seem to figure out why they're OP can someone tell me why or clear up this??? I need an army to fall back on for a win cause I play Bretonnians and VCs please someone tell me what make's them so good.
Hmmm Deathwing...or...Grimmnar's Wolf Guard Termies...I think I'll be depressed rather then Barbaric. Deathwing!
Dark Angels 2/0/1
They can basically have a neverending supply of cannon fodder. With their Invocation of Nehek, and the ability to spam their 3 necromancy spells (Invocation of Nehek, Vanhel's Danse Macabre, Raise Dead) they can create the ultimate anvil for their hard hitting hammer troops.
Against armies that can deal with heavy magic (Daemons comes to mind) Vampire Counts seem incredibly weak, especially with their lack of hard hitting units (heroes excluded).
ACK! Capital letters please. ~DavidVC04
TBH i dont think they are OP
I think its one of those things where people who dont own the army say its OP, everyone has something they hate going up against and unfortunatly (or fortunatly if your the vc player ) its usualy VC, infact i myself would argue there are a numerous games where ive hard my guts out ripped out, especialy when im playing VC.
i think its funny how people always complain that something is OP but its never the army they run. Suspicious eh?
We need the summoning spells, simply because skeletons, direwolves and kind of ghouls have such lowish stat lines.
no one ever mentions the down sides, only being able to march when in range of a vampire. I usualy rely on magic, so high magic resistence is a bitch. Crumbling army if your general is killed. extortionate point cost of blood knights. No shooting units, or war machines.
meh thats jus off the top of my head, but im sure theres more
what makes VC good hmm?
in my opinion we have the best characters out of any army, simply because of the customability. If i want to spend 300+ on a single character, then thats my problem and ill lack units else where to make it up. Its not OP :/
grave guard are awesome
black knights are awesome
the Vargulf is dirt cheap points wise and soo awesome
ALL ROUND AWESOME UNITS !!! (both fluff and stats wise)
lets face it , VC look BADASS (there an army of the dead )
not really having to be worried about psychology being used against VC units
i think the other thing is, VC play so differently to alot of army's its hard to get your head around them unless you run a VC army.
Last edited by DavidWC09; January 23rd, 2009 at 17:37.
Ok first thing that caught my eye is that you said the Varghulf is dirt cheap and awesome. You're mistaking it for the hydra which basically the Varghulf has nothing on.
Vampire Counts are really OP depending on the army you take. Combat VC armies are easily the most balanced and likely to get the best comp score (if your country has it) because the scary thing about VC is their magic.
If you dont care about Comp then you should just completely focus on magic. As a VC Magic army can out magic any army except maybe a high elves or Tzeentch WoC/Daemon Army.
We easily have the best lore of magic there is, We have the best Magic Missile. One of the best remains in play spells (curse of years), a multi purpose movement spell, 2 healing spells and 3 summoning spells. It seriously doesnt get much better than that, And even better theyre cheap to cast.
And the majority of our units are a bit too good. The units that are shit scary in the army have to be the Grave Guard, Black Knights, Black Coach and Cairn Wraiths. And the rest are mostly good (nigh spirit hosts and bat swarms)
With the VC army you are going to make alot of enemies if you go them, But in my case alot of jokes out of it as well. Of course thats really if you go magic heavy (limit your power dice in 2k to 10 max
I don't think anyone plays them right, same goes for anything unbrakable or near ubrakable.. People just seem to take VC on head on, while against other armies theres more chance either side can win and it probably won't be a prolonged combat. Although with VC you can get locked in combat for a while with VC and they can just raise up its casualties and will eventually win most of the time.
not quite sure if im allowed to post stat's but ;
cavalry distance movement
its a vampire so you can march move your Wolf shield and other units close to it
it has regen
and flanks dont count
for under 200 pts , how is this not awesome and dirt cheap? its just cheaper then 20 skellies + command,
not to mention the fact everytime someone ask's what army i play and i say VC , there first response tends to be something like "OH i hate the vargulf" or litrally yesturday i got from a member of GW staff "oh you must be really happy with the newish addition then . . . yeah i hate it when i see the vargulf coming out"
and as for your comment about the hydra, its stupid to say the vargulf is crap because the hydra is better. If this was the case i think i could find a equivilent unit in every army beter then all of ours.
Last edited by Spector; January 23rd, 2009 at 16:45.
On its own a varghulf can't take rank and file units head on, where as a block of 20 skeletons will have a lot more combat res to start with.
Both better at different things though at the end of the day. Hyrda can take on a lot of slower stuff, infantry even blocks of troops etc on better where as a varghulf is fantastic at taking down small units.
Manic if you would pay attention to what you are reading then you would see that dogmeat has it 100% correct. The Hydra is much better than the varghulf for the reasons dogmeat listed and because of the fact that its a skirmisher and it has a breath attack. I never once said that the varghulf was horrible or awesome and dirt cheap i said that the hydra was. It is a good model for your army and it is rather cheap but what i was basically saying was the hydras far better.
What needs to be understood about the Varghulf (and VC in general) is that you NEVER look at a unit's stat lines and make descisions based on that alone.
Is a Hydra great at killing stuff? Yes, it's a demolishing piece to field, and something to be truly feared. However, the great 'value' of the Vargulh comes from it's ability to be used alongside other units.
A varghulf can back a unit of Black Knights and/or Wolves and it becomes both the Vampire and the Hard-Hitter of your cavalry group. It can operate on a flank or reposition itself into both the thickest of combats, and also the 'boondocks' where regular vampires fear to tread.
If the Varghulf did not cover this part of the army's needs, then I too would look at it and cry BS. But the fact that our army has nothing else to really fit this niche at SO LOW A COST (comparatively), this is what we want.
As for the rest of the army being 'overpowered'. It is certainly my 'winning army'. I played them in my first tournament and netted a satisfying result. I've never lost a game with them (except in the tournament). People just don't understand how to fight AGAINST vc. They're too dumbed-down from using their gunlines or fighting elite CC like Chaos and Elves, or hordes like Orks.
VC aren't something that you can meet unit-to-unit face-to-face. You've got to focus on our metagame. If you shut down our rezzing spells, we suddenly become worthless. That might mean letting the odd missile or RiP get through, but it will pay off in the end. They need to focus on unit positioning, and set up advantageous charges. Use the WHOLE TABLE against us- damnit we'll use it against you!
There are several "overpowered" armies that a person could pick. You could easily run 'all knights' with your Brettonians and crush a VC's face in. You can do what I'm doing in my next tourney and run Teclis in an HE army at 2K, backed with elite Dragon Princes (becoming the most under-rated cavalry unit in the game). Plenty of armies can cut us to pieces. Players just need to understand what they're doing when they fight us. It's a simple change of pace, and any army can beat us- it doesn't even have to be tailored.
Well said, Captain S! <rep> The Varghulf's status as a Vampire is what makes him so valuable. It frees you up from having to send a character (or buy a Coach or KotBK) to keep your cavalry marching. This is his primary purpose in my army... the fact that he can also munch small units and lone characters is also a really nice bonus.
Also... can the Dark Elves heal their Hydras with a cheap and simple spell that every caster on their list has? That can be pretty valuable when you need that Varghulf to hold up an enemy unit for just one more turn.
"Is Archon Braigh-Dee going to have to choke a Wych?
Courtesy of Wicky: D.C.S.S.E.P.C.I.C.B.