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How would you attack a dwarven gunline in a 4000 points battle using the ghoul slingshot? One vampire, two vampires or one vampire lord. What would the build be?
Does the slingshot also work if the opponent begins?
in a 4k battle you could use this build:
von carstein ring, flayed hauberk
walking death, infinite hatred, fly, avatar of death (normally i go with great weapon)
this lord should be able to take care of any missile troops the dwarfs would have and also would be able to take care of any artillery crew if you manage to charge them.
And yes, it should work if the you get second turn as long as your ghoul unit is large enough to absorb some hits. cuz you move, he moves/shoots, then you declare your charge.
Now he may try to move some guys out of charge range but then they won't be shooting and you'll be disrupting his battle plan so that works as well.
As a side note, i would also bring isabella in a list with this guy as when he comes back isabella can heal him. What also goes good with isabella is a caster lord with the crimson gem, normally I use mannfred since he has so many wounds but with that's essentially a free power dice per turn since she can heal him.
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What if that unit is hit by an anvil's wrath and ruin? Normally things that fly can move at normal ground speed but can't fly.. non-fliers move at half speed. This is a non-flying unit that has flying models inside. Odd situation.
When the flying vampire is moving inside a unit it is not flying and so would move accordingly.
If the vampire leaves the unit his movement is now flying and so would be affected like a flying unit.
Sling shot seems like a poor choice of term as it makes me think of a specific unit formation to get unfair distance in a wheel.
A free ghoul march followed by a flying charge is not really a slingshot and similar results can be achieved with flying/cavalry followed by various movement spells.
Vampires can also Scout again allowing for similar results.
To top it off its not usually a good idea to send the backbone of your army unsupported into the front lines of the enemy as they will be outnumber and you will have to rely on combat kills to survive.
Then if you do survive you will have to worry about being shot and MM without any look out rolls.
How would a ghoul slingshot work? I've heard of the goblin slingshot but not one for ghouls. Is it you slingshot some crazy killy vampire into his deployment and then just wreck havoc? Those kind of rules are just cheesy.
Thats why I said its a poor choice of term as its not really a slingshot in the way the term has been used in the past.
He is talking about using the free ghoul march then having a flying vampire charge out first turn.
I really don't like that tactic. I've considered it myself and I don't think it'd be effective. You have a ridiculously expensive vampire lord on his own. One cannon shot and he's dead. The von carstein ring will help but it only works once. I generally don't like sending in single characters into combat or right in their deployment unsupported.
I've success using this tactic, but I don't use a flyer, I use the M9 item. The vampire that I typically use is:
VLord w/ Red Fury, Walking Death, Infinite Hatred, Blood Drinker, Cadaverous Cuirass, Talisman of the Lycni, Crown of the Damned
The idea is to simply smash him into an enemy regiment. With Hatred and the Redfury, he'll be getting 3-4 Wounds each phase, additionally he has the Walking Death to give an additional point of CR. Any wounds which he has taken previously will be restored. You only need to survive that first round of CC, and you can use your 4+ Ward against Crumble. That should keep you alive, and any wounds that you take can be regained in subsequent rounds with your sword. The stupidity isn't usually an issue with LD10, and of course if it fails, you can try again next turn.
I know that it looks scary that he's only got a 5+ save and a 4+ ward, but you have to remember that only models who are originally in B2B with him can attack. If he kills 3 enemy models, he's safe, as he carves a swathe through the 3 men up front.
If he kills 3 models he has 3 kills for combat res. The enemy would probably have 3 ranks, banner and outnumber. Of course that's if you charge a fully ranked unit. We're charging shooting units, right?
Walking Death gives him an additional +1 to his Combat Resolution. So my vampire gets 4, if he kills 3 models.
And yeah- I try to aim for shooting units, or small units since I don't have fly to get into the back. Sometimes, if I'm gutsy, I'll use him to tie up a scary looking enemy, and then slam the ghouls home on the next turn. I've had this guy hold his own against Chosen long enough to get another unit in there to back him up. That was luck though I'll admit. After the first round of combat he was down to one wound (after crumble etc).