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When I originally started Fantasy I had decided to play Bretonnians. However, after only 2 boxes of KotR and 3 Pegasus Knights later I decided I wasnted something a little more and decided to switch over to VC. However, I still have deep seated feelings for the brets and after reading the fluff from both codeci, decided to wanted to model a hybrid army, have the fluff be as per the Red Duke of Aquitane, and be able to play the army as either a Bretonian army, or a VC army, thus maybe saving some $ and having 2 armys that I really love. Any thoughts?
You certainly are able to do so with certain amounts of disgression. Afterall, the dead are the dead no matter whom or what they are. Militia can be zombies, bretonnians can make blood knights, the vampires can be made up from your combat characters while necromancers can be the basic wizards and you could use pegasus knights as a form of giant bat unit.
You could also put militia on large bases and paint them white to use as spirit hosts and use any great weapon weilders (great swords for example...though they arn't bretonnian) as wraiths....also painted white.
However for some of the other units like skelies, swarm bats, vargulf, black coach etc....anything without actual flesh on them originally or very unique to the army you may have trouble with and may have to buy those.
I wasn't going to use a "counts as" army, but rather combine and convert models to fulfil their roles in both armies. Also, i'm trying to stay as close to the identical base size as i possibly can so that the army, whichever it is at the time, is a completely legal one. So far I've come up with these ideas.
Vampires = Damsels and Lords
Men-at-Arms = Skeleton warriors
Peasent Bowmen = Zombies
Trebuchet Operators = Ghouls
KotR or ER = Black Knights
Pegasus Knights = Bat Swarms
Grail Reliquae = Corpse Cart or Black Coach
Grail Knights = Blood Knights
Stuff I don't know what to do for or don't have equivalents in either army
(maybe use Questing Knights as Dire Wolves since they have the same base size, possible mounts the knights ON the wolves)
Black Coach or Corpse Cart (Whichever I don't use as a Grail Reliquae)
I was just going to buy the different heros for each army as I want an unmounted, heavy magic casters for the VC, and the heros for the Bretonnians must be mounted. Maybe use the Leon Leoncour model on hippogriff as a vampire on a dragon. The MAA and SW should be a simple enough conversion with swaping parts and a little green stuff. I haven't bought either PB or Zombies yet so idk if i can do the PB without any weapons. Maybe give them a bow in one hand and a zombie weapon in the other.
For the Ghouls, the trebuchet operators it should be just switching them out since neither of them have any weapons. I know that I will need alot more ghouls than I will trebuchet operators, but right now I'm just trying to identify ways I can fill out all the different selections in the armies. KotR or ER could be converted in a similar way to the MAA in swaping pieces and green stuffing parts for the Black Knights. For the bat swarms I was thinking of pinning bats to the Pegasus knights so they would be Pegasus Knights with a swarm of bats around them. I don't really know what to do for the reliquae whether its base matches a CC or a BC more, but whatever is more similar basewise i'll probably do. Also, as I write this, I feel that I could probably use Ghouls as Battle Pilgrims also to fill out the spaces that the battle pilgrims fill out. Finally for the Grail/Blood Knights, I haven't gotten a box of Grail Knights yet, but I think combined those two sets would look truly awesome.
I know that this should probably be in the modeling section but I also want feedback on this army fluffwise and any gaming input as I am new to fantasy still. Like how well does a mixed Brettonian army work as compared to an all calvalry or mostly calvalry, and how effective or fun is a magic heavy res VC list? Also, how would they fare as a single army together?
P.S. this is going to both Brettonian and Vampire Count forums.
That is a good site. As much as I dislike the look of the skeletal steeds heads on the caparisons, I wonder how he made that work.
I have an army which is based on a Bret theme, and was originally meant to stand in as a Bretonian force. It's quite easy to give Vampires a dual role. Here's what I did for "stand-ins".
Lords Heroes = Lords Heroes
M@A = Grave-Guard
Archers = xxx (archers with Skeletons heads, for continuity)
KoTR = Black Knights
Trebuchet = xxx (M@A crew with Skeleton heads)
...these were all simple head swaps and nothing more.
GrailKnights = Blood Knights
...I made this conversion in my actual army by using KoTR, however you could use actual GKs
Grail Relique = Corpse Cart
...My conversion had zombies carrying a converted cart like a bier. I sat a vampire model on it with two of the Dark Elf slaves to show that vampires are actually quite debased. The surrounding unit is simply the zombie and M@A frames mixed.
Pegasus Knights = Fel Bats
...I did nothing for this conversion except to paint them in more evil colors. I rarely use them and might have to find a better (cooler) way to do this.
I'll go through my army later and take some pictures. I have several WIP models that I'll shoot and post up for ideas if you'd like. If I get the chance, my friend made some "Pirate Coast" vampires, which are absolutely awesome. It was a joint-conversion project that he and I have been working on. He uses High Elves and Lizardmen, as well as Empire and standard VC in his army. It's truly insane, with lots of wild conversions and even some classic models. Just goes to show that anything with a skeleton can become undead.