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I was thinking about trying out the Banshee wail.
I know it's really not worth the expense of more points but I am experimenting.
If I were to use Doom & Darkness would the -3 penalty be applied to the ues of the banshee wail. I'm thinking no based on the wording of the spell, but I can see an arguement being made for yes.
What about Aura of Dark Majesty?
Do both combined = -4 to leadership when using the wail? If so does wail become more valuable.
Anyone ever try this?
What about multiple Banshees with this idea?
BTW - I'm not really asking if this is a good idea, I can see it is innefficient. I am asking how would you make this work if you had to?
Ive found that it doesnt even require a debuff on the targets leadership. The scream on average will kill 1 knight every time you use it, and considering that it can be used into combat, against armies like Chaos and such its an invaluable ability.
Debuffs could make it just as deadly, I personally run them in units of 3 so ive got 2 wraiths and a banshee, and I find that 3 is a good size as it doesnt make them a point sink and they can easily make their points value back
I have found that the banshee's wail has failed more times than it goes off. However, when it does go off it usually does a lot of damage. For example I was playing against a bretonnian and my banshee killed about 5 knights in one try.
What about Doom & Darkness, would it apply?
Also, Is it a magical attack? Nice to know when fighting other VC's?
Doom and Darkness does apply, and the Banshee Wail I would assume they mean for it to be magical but there are no references. Its best used in my opinion on Knights and Monsters, just because of the fact it can do sooo much damage (Mines done 5 wounds to a treeman before . made no difference to the game)
Last edited by Mirage.; October 24th, 2009 at 03:40.
I don't think focusing on the Banshee's Scream is the way to go, you should be focusing on getting the Wraiths into combats and screaming at whatever is nearby or as a stand and shoot.
Also I don't think Doom and Darkness does work with the Banshee's Scream as the unit you're screaming at isn't taking a leadership based test, it's the Banshee that's making the dice rolls and it just so happens the units leadership is used rather than toughness.
BEN DIESEL FTW!!!
Yea just looked over it again (DnD that is) and no1cafc is right, doom and darkness does not work.
But no1cafc, taking a unit of 3 with a banshee isnt bad, as its a cheap choice that can still hit a flank for the assistance it can give in combat.
Unless you have five wraiths in a unit having them in combat is very dangerous. With 2 wraiths and a banshee that means at most you are going to get a combat res of 5(wounds). Assuming your opponent can not hurt them they will get a combat res of 3-5(out number, 1-3 of ranks, and banner). With a combat res of 3-5 against 2-3 it can be very hard to beat them in combat.
And the beauty of the Banshee is the solid chance of taking out some of those rank bonuses prior to combat. Even with 2d6+2 there is typically at least a 50% chance of taking out at least one model as most units are not sporting 9 Ld (not that there aren't a decent # of 9 Ld models, just not the majority). But I agree Wraiths big concern is Static CR - that's why they should really target in on those heavy hitters like cavalry, that rely on [non-magical] wound causing for CR.
The great thing is that the Banshee wail can still be used in HtH. And since the attack resolves pre-close combat round, it is great for weakening static CR.