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hello all, Hito here wanting to ask for pointers of how to deal with High elves. Currently our store is working on an escalation league setup (where I got roped into painting not only my own army, the VCs, but two other guys armies as well, TK and LM respectively. Good money but a lot of work. off the point though) The store already sees at least two player that have considerable more experience than I do and play both wood and high elves.
Reasons for starting this? last game I was in a doubles match with another newby who had dwarves. 1750 a side, I had 1000, he had 750. Opponent was the High Elf player who was essentially running a 1000 and 750 list. It was an embarassment. The lesser dragon he fielding had the scout rule and was right next to the dwarf cannon on our side of the table and proceeded to chew through the dwarves and one of my vampires, while his two bolt throwers that were on higher ground so could draw line of site to EVERYTHING ate through my grave guard, and his heavy cavalry chewed through my blocks of skeletons. We killed just one high elf, and that was the dragon mage that was riding the dragon, while he decimated our entire force. I couldn't get a spell off and the dwarves cannon missfired on the only shot he would have gotten. I don't want to be embarassed like this again.
So how do you deal with the high elves? Because frankly it seemed like the amount of magical items/power shinanigans he was pulling off makes me think of the old DnD addage, Elves cheat.
What I currently have at my disposal are:
10 grave guard (hw/s)
8 black knights
5 blood knights
2 corpse carts
Vampires a plenty
Well first off, ask this guy about how he got the scouting Dragon. The only way I can think of is illegal for two reasons:
1. The only item that gives a character the "Scout" rule must be used on foot.
2. As the Character was a Mage, he can't wear magic armour.
You might think of the Dragon's ability to fly, as it can close gaps to the enemy real fast. As for the list, take very magic heavy and run big blocks. If you're still teaming with the Dwarf player, ask him to take plenty of thunderers and a cannon. Dragon gone.
As for the fact that you didn't get any spells off? I suppose you run two Vampires? That should be plenty with some magic items, and remember the dwarfs get extra dispel dice, so dispelling won't be a problem.
If you manage to tie up the heavy cavalry with a unit, then the whole cavalry will be wasted very quick. It sounds to me that you got terribly bad luck, coupled with your enemy being quite experienced, so take it slow, learn from every situation and you'll soon stomp him in the mud. VC and TK are my least favourite opponents to play because the whole army is unbreakable. Elves hate unbreakable.
And yes, Elves cheat, that's our job.
5000p. High Elves
The dwarf player only had the dwarf half of the skull pass set. Then theres the question of how to deal with the bolt throwers?
Was thinking of picking up some fell bats. (possibly proxying bat swarms as them from bat swarms as I dont care for the fell bat models)
Vampires have it really easy vs High Elves, certainly in comparison to many other armies. Avoid their fighty foot units and hold them up with speed-bump skellies, and then flank with hard-hitters liek Black Knights, Grave Guard etc. Dragon princes are nasty heavy cavalry, but they are only T3 heavy cavalry - if you can hold them for 1 turn (shouldn't be too difficult) then you can really mire them in combat. And unless they have a standard of balance or Lion banner.
A scouting mage-dragon shouldn't have scared you as it can't exist - perhaps you can ask your friend for his army lists and post them on the HE section? And if a rule looks questionable (which this one does - imagine SNEAKINg a dragon that close to enemy lines!) then it should be questioned.... Hopefully I can help you deal with an effective list and where his list is weak...
Again no mention of the bolt throwers.
So what I gather from here are:
A) large blocks of troops (skeletons/zombies)
vampires with lots of power dice and lord of the dead.
C) black knights or grave guard to flank.
I also am learning that Corpse Carts are useless against HE. Always Strike First? Big freaking deal against the HE.
Frankly I want to poor so much cheese down his smug, condescending throat that he chokes on it.
Lol - Vampires are the cheesier army TBH..
But yeah, High Elves are an easy army to win with in a conventional sense - with Undead you have to be a little...sneaky?
How does it work when two units with ASF come into combat with one another? I've heard many different variations on this. My favorite is if two units with ASF begin combat then they are both treated as neither having ASF and regular rules apply such as charges, GWs, and initiative. If this is the case, VC ASF would destroy the HE units with great weapons.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
and with VC units having low to average initiative at best (save the vampires themselves) ASF will have no effect against the HE.