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ok so they are now swarms
Page 84 BRB - Skimishers / Unbreable / Squish but as we are undead we get to ignore squish and unbreakable
dont have the VC book yet so could some on tell me what exactly the SH have in the way of speiacl rules please
i Understand they will have Ethereal and undead if thats all they have then as far as i can gather they are now the BEST Swarm int he game being as they can only be hurt by magic spells / magic attacks
Now while i probably wouldnt buy them from the AB for my list the spell Winds of Undeath has jsut become one of my favs (in the theory at least) Every enemy unit on the table thats No LOS No Range etc takes a wound on 4+ all the wounds cuased make a new SH with in 12" of the vamp who cast the spell and via IoN can then be pushed to full unit size of 10 thats 40 Wounds on ethereal skimishers ok no rank bonus to ruin ur oponents but put this in front charge with GG or something else int he flank and isnt that just kinda win!
You're Undead, they're still Unstable so they go squish. They're a tarpit, just like they used to be. Toss them at something with bad static CR (Monsters or Monstrous _______) and they will die so slowly, or not at all. You're basically paying to hold something up and either hold it the entire game, or force an opponent to bring another unit into combat to kill them, both are wins.
Really only good if you notice a weakness to Monsters etc. against blocks they lose on CR many times, and blocks also hold characters quite often.
i was planning to only use them from the winds of undeath spell and not to purchase them for the army list same as zombies
Thank you for clearing the issue i was having in mind with them they are basicly hard core zombies and nothing else
Or am i wrong?
Also, cant you only give them one wound at a time with ion, theyre ethereal and not infantry?
Or am i wrong?
Also, cant you only give them one wound at a time with ion, theyre ethereal and also not infantry?
i dont have the VC book yet so i honestly dont know thats why i was asking about them
You cannot IoN them to full unit size, just the number you made via the spell, or the number you deployed if you bought them like a normal unit. Otherwise they would be stupid overpowered.
ok so say i scored 5-6 wounds with Winds of undeath thats 2 SH models one with 4 and one with 1-2 wounds i presume i could still IoN them to 8 wounds? as im not exceding the models the unit was formed with
i also take it from this that zombies can only be raised / beefed via IoN to 30 strong via Summon Undead Horde (5D6 = 30 max)
or is there a power to push zombies above and beyound like skele's/ghouls
Yes, if the Hosts are created with less than the wounds in their profile, you can bump them up to full, but not create additional models.
It's the same way with Raising a Zombie unit. IoN does not create a unit, it restores it's wounds. So if you do Raise Dead and create, let's say a unit of 5 Zombies, IoN does nothing for them. If 3 of the Zombies die, now IoN can raise those 3 back up, but no more. It doesn't push a units size up, it just restores that unit to it's optimal size.
Now, the specific Vampire Powers allow IoN to increase the size of Skeelton and Ghoul units (respectively) past their starting size, but there is no Zombie power for that as far as I know. That's as far as I under the rules for VC Magic.
thank you for your help here
well as you'll see in my 2000 point starter lis (on the army list sub forum now) im planing on running two vamps with forbidden lore vampires and maybe giving them the summon ghoul power its listed but is optional my main concern with the list i have worked otu so far is a lack of banners so if i get the mission that has breakpoint im still nakered if you could look over the list and give me any hints / tips it would also be very much appreciated