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after playing a few more games with my dark elves (im moving to vamp army this week)
Combat Res (CR) and Stedfast
ok so we all know Stead fast is if they have more ranks than you this is why people are claiming zombies suck
ok if you play horde 10 wide X=Y Deep yes Zombies will suck eggs as the odds are theyw ill kill enough to have more ranks. If however you play Ranks Vs Colums my new favorite game with zombie hordes proxied a game with my Vamp bat and my dark elves as bonus zombies
this was the proxxy as most hurt back Vs for core (and optimal for zombies)
50 LSG 10x5
50 Zombies 5x10 summoned behind and Vans danced into back giving zombies the charge
SCR before blows are stuck +2 to zombies LSG where given FC this is +1 for charge Banner negates this so its just the +2 for rear.
Ok elves go 1st due to ASf and well Base I value any way
only their back rank can fight giving them 7 A VS my front rank of 5 ofc All 5 are killed
10 A back kills 3 elves they opassed their fear check just so you know
CR after round 1
Elves +1 banner +5 kills No ranks due to rear charge and ranks of zombies total 6
Zombies +1 charge +2 rear +3 kills total 6
Elves win by one with musician so one more dead zombie Elves try to reform but fail LD check
Elves again get 7 attacks gotta love that fail to reform this time failed fear check also
3 zombies die.
10 zombies hit back killing 4 elves this time my luck was really in.
CR for Turn 2
Elves = 1(banner) 3 (Kills) Total 4
Zombies = 4 (kills) 2(rear) total 6
Zombies win by 2 now thanks to having more ranks than the elves they are NOT! Stedfast so take LD to break @-2 and fail as they run away Shambling horde kicks in haveing only 8 full ranks of 5 left that was 8d6 Auto hits which rolled up 25 hits which killed 7 more elves and as they had to run directly away from the zombies they run closer to wards other units that can finish them off
in summery yes you need LUCK! on your side to 1. raise enough 2. be able to rank them up deeper rather than wide and 3. get them into combat with VDM to rear or flank
you would still want to do this in conjuntion with another unit or two but SCR is actually our friend if you go with ranks Over collums with zombies when u raise them as support attacks as we will rob them of their ranks and their stedfast
Remember hit them form the fron then raise zombies to hit them from behind and your zombies might actualyl win you the fight thanks to shambling horror
Now all these 200+ hordes i have read about imagine 200 zombies 5 wide and then just deep 200 is 5x40 now if you only loose 2-3 ranks before they runaway thats a lot of free hits
You do realize that the elves wouldn't have to take an ld test to reform if they won the combat right? only the loser needs to take a ld-test to reform (p. 55 of the brb)
in that case we miss read that section of the rules. will re run the senario later
you also totally forgot the rank bonus the zombies had aswell so in your scenario above they would have won that 1st round of combat
6th Ed record w/d/l
CSM - 3/1/1
your right so i did