The new 2012 Vampire Counts - General thoughts?

[rothgar13]

Because you're vastly overstating his potential. Having HKB =/= Instagib (you still have to roll that 6), and only a 4+ armor save makes him far from the most protected guy out there. Not to mention that you need Kemmler for him to have the HKB in the first place.

[decinator25]

I think your understating him ;l. Arguement still stands thatI wound a dragon once and my oponnent rolls a 6 means dead dragon. In a low point game he's deadly man...Well exluding krell and the rod i like the book

Edit: I do like krell I just think he's to powerful and wouldent field him in any less then 3k.

[rothgar13]

When you factor in Kemmler and the fact that Great Weapon Grave Guard (or any other S4 Great Weapon wielder) can rip him to ribbons, he's much less of a steal. And who brings Dragons anymore, anyway?

[decinator25]

Few things first its doubtable that you'll be fielding krell alone or having him focused unless in a challenge. Even if you are in a challenge I doubt the other guys gona knock off all 4 wounds. Krell could kill archeon the everchosen or any other hero or lord simply by pulling off 1 wound. Also while not neccessarily a dragon i'm sure people field some sort of gribbly monster or what have you.

Edit: Also i haven't talked about kemmler or heroic killing blow why bring them up? Second I will agree to his armor being rather pitiful with only a 4+ but i doubt its gona be the end of the world for him.

[ironshrike]

In fairness, skulltaker can head take better than that with a 0+ save (on Jugger) with a ward save, hatred and initative stupid for the same points- so there is a precedent. Not that im saying Skulltaker isnt nasty as hell, but in that context Krell looks quite tame

[rothgar13]

Ever heard of Ward saves, bro? Because guys like Krell are exactly why they're so popular. If you protect himself from his attacks, he has no way to fend off yours, and there's more than one Hero out there who can spit out S6+ and chop him down in short order.

[HappyJim]

When you factor in Kemmler and the fact that Great Weapon Grave Guard (or any other S4 Great Weapon wielder) can rip him to ribbons, he's much less of a steal. And who brings Dragons anymore, anyway?

You know I don't think Krell is all that great but I don't think the HKB is about dragons, its MI which everyone is taking and the broken monsters such as hellpits and Hydras, tell what Krell does have going for him, he looks ****ing awesome! He is also one of them characters I remember from when I was a kid, if I didn't have a theme to my list I would certainly have him in every list simply for awesomness factor of his model!

Now I had a proper read of the book the first combo thats stands out to me is Beguile, Aura of Dark Majesty, Dread Knight, Glittering Scales, whats good about this? well for starts you can actually put it on a hero and still have room a magical weapon, most things are going to be hitting you on a 5+ and bar dwarfs or elves will be needing to reroll to hit, perfect protection for BSB, it also seems like a combo to stick on a character with Skabscrath, certainly gets boosts the defense effectively.

[rothgar13]

Yep, cue the parachute pants, because you can't touch that Vampire.

And I agree, Krell's sculpt is fantastic.

[Non Marine Player]

I think that both of your points are exaggerated in honesty. I think the fact you can regain his wounds by the shedload is good, his save is pretty bum, but his merit is in the power of his great weapon, combined with his high W and T means he can hit back. Vs characters, his good point is not killing blow or HKB, although that's a plus, it's the Black Axe of Krell that's the sealer. The D3 wounds and stacking wounds tests pretty much guarantees the kills, plus if you can keep him alive he's great. Against a dedicated combat character though he's not got much hope, as sturdy as he is there's always 1 round of combat he has to go through un-regen'd...

[HappyJim]

Yep, cue the parachute pants, because you can't touch that Vampire.

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