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What do you think? On one hand they take up rare slots. On the other hand the only good VC rare is the Banshee who isn't as good against other dead units.
Give the VC a nice counter to heavy armour or high T creatures without having to risk engaging with your general.
What do you mean the only good one is a banshee? The black coach rocks!
I've often thought about this, and yes it would add a strong punch but most balanced armies have counters for long range and artillery. As this is your only piece it will cop all of the damage and could die fairly easy.
Plus, it doesn't seem fluffy to me to add a DoW cannon to a VC army... It would be effective, but I'm not sure I would take DoW for any army.
Some people say DoW shouldn't be used to compensate for an army's weakness; rather, DoW should evoke what's already there. I can see it both ways. Wouldn't a general want to make up for any gaps in his army? Yes, I've thought about cannons and may add some to my VC army. But instead, I'm going with Ogre maneaters for now (they just arrived from Direct order yesterday!. They're stubborn and immune to psychology, not to mention fear causing, all perfect fits for an undead army (and you can give them handguns for shooting, and they can bull charge, getting impact hits like the black coach! Oh yeah, they're mad brawlers, something lacking in the VC army). Ogre Leadbelchers are another good option for adding firepower.
So that's my current solution, but I can still see me adding cannons one day.
I've got nothing against cannons really, but I just give them an undead crew to make them useful fluff wise, and so they look appropriate.
Obviously in gaming terms they don't cause fear, etc but it doesn't seem unfeasible that a VC general would raise up a cannon crew.
I never have more than one though, I think that would be getting a bit dodgy.
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I dont think thats right, leave the cannons at home.
just go for some Ogres, im getting some Ironguts as soon as i get paid.
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I have to agree that it doesn't seem right for VC to take cannons. Personally I don't use Dogs of War. If VC were meant to shoot, they'd have shooting units, and that's how I see it.
If people weren't meant to use DoW, then GW wouldn't have made them. DoW are there to be used however the gaming public sees fit. If mercenaries are simply an extension of whatever army, why have them at all (besides another way to make a buck)? Using cannons, or any other DoW unit, does come at a cost, giving up a rare unit, or even two. And it's not like it's a repeat bolt thrower or a hell cannon. Now that would be too much, but a cannon is common enough to belong in a VC army, especially considering VC's history with Empire. Why wouldn't they have picked up a few after defeating yet another puny Empire army?
I just personally dislike it, and a vast majority of people don't use DoW. I am more ok with it being used to pick up some sort of unit that fits with your force well (like Ogres with VC), but I dislike picking up warmachines. The same thing you said about DoW applies to VC and cannons as well, if they really wanted VC fielding warmachines, they would have given us warmachines. It's also a lot easier for a VC army to field DoW because our Rare choices are rather lacking. Sure most of us throw in a banshee here or there, and sometimes take the Black Coach for fun, but really neither are the most effective units in our army.Originally posted by DavidVC04@Mar 16 2005, 12:59
If people weren't meant to use DoW, then GW wouldn't have made them. DoW are there to be used however the gaming public sees fit. If mercenaries are simply an extension of whatever army, why have them at all (besides another way to make a buck)? Using cannons, or any other DoW unit, does come at a cost, giving up a rare unit, or even two. And it's not like it's a repeat bolt thrower or a hell cannon. Now that would be too much, but a cannon is common enough to belong in a VC army, especially considering VC's history with Empire. Why wouldn't they have picked up a few after defeating yet another puny Empire army?[snapback]354285[/snapback]
From a fluff perspective, even with the connections to Empire, I still find a cannon out of place, especially for specific bloodlines. Blood Dragon knights fielding a cannon for instance, just doesn't connect at all. Neither does a more subtle army like Lahmia. The more feral Strigoi also doesn't seem like an army with any technology that they use regularily. Maybe Von Carstein or Necrarch's fielding it makes sense, but even then we're all from Sylvania which is more of a half-backwards country then anything else.
They also keep toying with DoW (from a GW perspective), and still aren't sure they are implemented how they want, and we might see some changes with it soon. I personally will never field a cannon, but other people are free to do what they want.
EDIT: Ok, wait, I lied. The ONE time I might field a DoW cannon or two is in a siege game where I am the defender, as that makes some sense and is somewhat necessary.
Well, I'm probably going to stick a DoW cannon into my Goblin army at some point, but that's because it makes sense to have one in a Goblin army as Goblins are the masters of scavenging items. Not only that, but it is making up a very important lack in Goblin armies: S7 damage capability. Also, in a Goblin army there are far more viable rare choices and so losing a rare choice to get yet another war machine IS a big sacrifice.
However, in a VC army, you've got to be joking. Anyone I know would scream cheese at the sight of a cannon protruding from your ranks. VC is powerful enough as is, there's no need to go sticking in a cannon.
This probably worth mentioning:
In all the local gamingclubs (atleast the 3 im thinking of trying out), they have houserules, forbidding DoW cannons, in non-DoW armies.
Same rule aplies in their tournaments.
I have been thinking of fielding DoW cannons myself, but now I wont, because I would rather spend the money and the points, on something that I can continually use, not to mention, get familiarized with.