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I'm just wondering if, in your mind, they are worth it. The zombie dragon is the cheapest dragon out there, but it's also the weakest, not to mention it takes up an entire extra Hero slot. It has a decent ability with the whole Cloud of Flies. However it's Pestilential Breath is lacking in umph. Then there's the Winged Nightmare. It's a pretty cool concept, however it's weaker than any of the models it is supposedly made out of with inferior leadership, attacks, initiative, and weaponskill. Though it is cheaper.
I think the Winged Nightmare is alright, however the Dragon is just lacking so much for being a Dragon. It's Weapon Skill is horribly low, and it's save is equally low. The only way to keep it alive would be to sit around an cast Invocation of Nehek on it. However if a High Elf took the Lore of life it could fully heal a dragon if it wants to and those dragons have better breath weapons and a better save.
Last edited by archonofdeath; February 27th, 2006 at 03:19.
I use the zombie dragon with a lord equipped with cursed book, quickblood(lahmia) and sword of might. With a 20" move its not often you dont get the charge and a good enough Unit Strength to negate ranks in a flank charge (very important), so most of the time I get to strike first with 9 strength 6 attacks (be it at various weapon skills), but dont go trying to take down a bloodthirster etc, but maybe blood dragons would be better for that but its fun wiping out units of rank and file wholesale since they all get a -2 modifier to hit. In short, although its expensive its brilliant at taking out many core units and with support can make it all powerful.
As for the winged nightmare.... no experience so no opinion.
On a side note: How did you model it? Did you just use the current model or did you convert another one?
I'm thinking of ordering the bits from GW and building my own for 30$ instead of the 50$ for the actual model.
Also, it's nice to see a fellow Lahmian.
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Zombie dragons are indeed terrible for their points. Plus only a lord can ride them, so you end up using a lord and 2 hero slots to field one (or a master necro, but combat creature+mage=bad) so it all ends up being extremely expensive and not really worth it, since a lord will most likely be your general you're taking his leadership influence away from the rest of your army.
Winged nightmares, haven't actually tried them. IMO though, a vampire's place is in the ranks of troops not flying off on his own. They're far more useful in there.
Zombie Dragons really does not worth. In Vampire Counts , most important things are your precius power dices and necromancy. A zombie dragon means you will field two less necromancers. I don't even mention about it's cost.
But a winged nightmare , with my Blood Dragon Count , is very good for undead. Fly, Unit Strength 4 (Plus one with vampire its 5) , Terror and extra attacks plus Vampire's devastating blows, means you can beat any ranked unit.
Your army loses the ability to march if you fly away. Big Flying monsters are just to vulnerbale and when you consder your army starts to crumble if your general dies, its just not worth the risk.
Its ironic that in theory the most destructive creaatures in the game have to be used in the most subtle way.
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I used the current model with a mounted lahmian.
As for marching I don't usually have a problem with not being able to, as I normally have copius amounts of skeletons I can tie up the enemy and slide other units to the flanks just because I have so many skeletons, and as you said (Berny Mac) its dangerous to run off on your own, so I don't usually fly off until my armies in position. I also find it very useful to counter flying chaos (great or small)daemons.