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I am new to Warhammer and all of its wonders and have narrowed down my options to Bretonnia and High Elves.
Please Tell me why you think one is better than the other.
Thank you all!
I went with High Elves, I have never played with Bretonians but they seem a bit 1 dimensional in their play style. High Elves are a more balanced army with good infantry, Cavalry and Magic.
For the record because it makes me biased High Elves are my first and favourite army.
I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other... but they do each have their pros and cons. It really depends on what you're looking for in an army.
High Elves certainly have the biggest variety of units and playstyles... so if you're looking to get one army that can essentially do anything, then the High Elves are a good choice. They can be very shooty, very magic heavy, very combat savvy... and good mixes of everything, if you wish. Whereas with Bretonnians you are restricted to limited shooting capability, really no magic offense to speak of, and LOTS of combat capability and mobility. So the swing between magic capability is HUGE... and that might mean a lot to you. I prefer Bretonnians, for fluff and playstyle, with lots of Knights, flying cavalry, and hordes of peasants to back 'em up... but I also like High Elves for simple things like their dominant magic strengths (magic is a big deal in 7th ed... but 8th ed will be out later this year and might change that), repeater bolt throwers, lots of special units, and always striking first.
I hope that helps your decision.
I would go with HighElves. If it's knioghts and cavalry that are drawing you to the Brets, I hate to say that HE can do it too, and probably do it better. The reason is that we have support in the form of useful artillery (nonguess, nonmisfire, multipurpose RBTs) and potent magic or iron magic defense.
I personally play an a cavalry based HEforce. They lack core fast cavalry, but they need 1 fewer core than any other army, and have 1 more special and rare, meaning more cavalry and warmachines.
Furthermore, HighElves have more playstyles in case you eventually get bored with your knights. Running an all-infantry Brettonian list is unadvised, although running infantry-based highelves is seen as a well built and balanced force.
I'm also biased- seeing as I've been playing HE for the past 11 years. I do play Bretonians though, although they were more of a side project than anything else.
I've played Brets for a while now and like them a lot. I don't care much for magic and brets can be good at magic defense with their cheap scroll caddy damsels (that provide MR1 to the unit they join) and decent arcane items. Certainly Brets shootings isn't as good as HE, but it's not that bad either. Their cheap peasant bowmen are only 6pts ea. and fire 30" - a unit of 10 is a mere 60pts and they have some unique special rules/things. Such as adding flaming arrows to a unit for 5pts total (good against forest spirits, trolls, vampires, etc.) and the ability to skirmish for 1pt/model. From a hobby perspective I've really enjoyed painting my Brets - each knight can be done individually and if you have the patience to do it you can field a very impressive army. My standard 2250 list runs almost 40 individual cavalry models each with its own heraldry. Bretonnian armys are typically very core heavy b/c we have good cheap core units.
What is good about brets? Good, fast, cheap core units, top tier heavy cav, high armor saves, the blessing! (5+ ward against S5+ or 6+ otherwise for all your knights), great hobby/fluff aspects
Bad? No offensive magic, tend to be one dimensional (i.e. the dash and smash type)
Good luck and welcome to fantasy.
I would (though I don't own either army) choose the brets. They have some really powerful heavy cavalry, and I love the look of them. They are also cheaper than the high elves. Powerful charges, high armour, and blocks of supporting infantry for a low cost? What could be better? But if you are more interested in the magic aspect of warhammer I would choose HE.
- Choose high elves if you like the idea of an army with good magic and good shooting. The high elves have a good background too.
- If you want a cavalry heavy, cheap infantry, and colourful army, go with bretonnians.
It pretty much comes down to how you think you would prefer to play the game, as they are very different armies and have very different playstyles.
Most people I've met that have started out with Brets from advice from others have basically played the army, gotten bored with its relative one dimension, then been stuck with a bunch of models they don't really want.
A lot of people do enjoy the Brets, but don't go to them as your first army only because people are recommending it. If the idea of hard hitting cavalry (and basically ONLY hard hitting cavalry) seems appealing, go for it. If you're not sure what you'd like yet, go High Elves for the versatility they offer.
I'm going to jump back in and agree with Evertras' last sentence, "If you're not sure what you'd like yet, go High Elves for the versatility they offer." I've been playing Brets for many years... but no matter how much I like them, sorry, LOVE them, I can't bring myself to recommend them as a first army.
UNLESS everything that Knight Errant said in their post really tickled your fancy. Everything that Knight Errant said is SO true... all the good and all the bad. I fell in love with all that good stuff... and the bad stuff doesn't bother me much... and when it does, I just play my Lizardmen
So, in my personal opinion, if you liked everything that Knight Errant has said, then go for it! Get Brets! They're a load of fun and you'll love them!
But if you're unsure or if the "bad stuff" that Knight Errant mentioned turns you off in any way... then steer clear because there is no versatility in those regards.
If your not into bretts right away, you might get bored too fast, while with high elves you can switch to different tactics more easily
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If you want a 1 dimensional point and click army, go with Bretonnians.
If you want to have more of a tactical approach to gameplay and a better understanding of warhammer choose high elves.
Sure Bretonnians were pretty much my first army, and i had a lot of success with them while I was young. I just kinda got a bit bored of the repetative nature of most of the games. Pray, get shot at, move up, get shot at and magicked, charge! roll dice. win/lose.
With high elves you should get a much more interesting experiance. Unless you take a star dragon in 2000points, then it becomes very similar to Bretonnians. I reckon high elves, also I find predominantly infantry armies look much better on the tabletop.
Good luck with warhammer.