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Firgured this would be quite interesting! Basically, if you could choose the next 3 army books to release for fantasy, what would you choose and why?! (and please, let's try to avoid things like "lizzies 'cus I playz them and they're not invincible yet!")
Note: I'm ignoring tomb kings entirely since they're out in May!
Personally, I'd choose the order as;
- tough call between then and empire, but dwarfs are still stuck with those silly 0-1 options and need alot more plastic love! Plus, they need a slight tweek to bring their runesmiths/lords in line with 8th so that the enemy has at least a slight hope of getting at least 1 spell off!
They're also one of the 'big 4' fantasy armies, so a decent release with 3-4 plastic sets would be a solid cash generator for GW, allowing them to bring out another less popular army without as huge a risk of losing $$$.
- cavalry in general took a huge nerf in 8th. so now the 'knightly army' is more of a 'peasent fest with a couple horsies along for the ride'...
plus, there's hardly any difference between the knightly ranks and a staggering lack of unit options overall that needs addressing.
also, the poor brets had their 'army bonus' of extra character allowance stripped from them... plus, their knightly characters are ment to be the fantasy equivalent of space marines - mortal godlike beings who are blessed by their friggin' goddess with otherworldly powers! and yet empire captains go toe-to-toe with them for far less cost?!
they also need alot more plastic love, having only 4 sets total, plus the numbers of models/box is quite difficult to work with since they don't build into proper ranks. (16 pesants or 8 knights)
3) Vampire Counts.
- 8th ed was ment to nerf daemons. instead, it balanced them a bit, but utterly destroyed the undead in the process! almost every advantage is gone; magic, fear, resiliance of units and instead everyone gained big time on the undead with steadfast & BSB buffs... (undead meanwhile got the epic shaft!)
mind you, the problems VC's have is more with their book in general than 8th itself. the book was craptastic to begin with as it was design purely to min/max, spam invocation & deathstar.
VC's need some serious re-work since right now they have 3 obscenely expensive core choices, 2 viable special units and 4 hienously expensive rares! plus, the utter lack of shooting makes the army all but immune to things like slave spaming skaven.
a 'horde' army that can't actually horde is laughable, and the VC's remain a testament to how truely terribad Gav 'whats playtesting' Thorpe was as a games designer!
I know the poor wood elves are in desperate need of a re-write also, but the problem I see with them is that they're such a huge risk to GW; there's not alot of players for the army, the kind of big release that's needed to fix them up is a massive financial gamble!
I have a feeling that our poor wood elf cousins are going to be waiting a bit while GW puts out 3-4 'big sellers' to build up a decent cash wall...
I agree with the armies you picked, but not the order.
1) Vampire Counts. This army is almost useless. Pretty much every advantage that they had has been negated by the 8th edition rules. I know at least two people who own them, but will never bring them to the local store to play.
2) Brets... or Ogre Kingdoms. I'm not sure which one I like better in second place. Ogre Kingdoms play a lot like brets, they're like brets without the horses. You've got big blocks of expensive beer bellies that rely on getting the charge to win. Yeah, I'm torn on this one. I think they're equally bad atm.
3) Dwarfs.. yeah, they seem to be one of the most popular armies, but at the same time, they aren't really terrible. They only have one tactic, but it's a very viable tactic and I see them winning games quite often at my local store by just turtling up in a corner and waiting for the fight to come to them. They need an update, but I don't agree that it needs to come before the wtf-were-they-thinking VC book.
I like the first order. But I think wood elves before vampire counts.
Dwarves, we've been seeing a lot of dwarf artwork show up in the background of other books. I'd love to see a big airship on the scale of the new spider kit.
Brettonians still work but I'd love to see a new unit of some type. And a combo box of questing/Grail knights and maybe a large kit of maybe the Grail relique. Oh a plastic trebuchet might make newer Brett players not pull their hair out trying to get it to sit flush on the ground.
Woodelves really need the love. Their entire army tactic kind of got outmoded in the new Ed. The plastics they do have are fantastic but they need some more. But it's really the book is what needs help.
Chaos dwarfs would be nice. And maybe a Brett book, not so much to boost power, more so to get more choices , maybe some wooden crafted bolt throwers or other contraptions like battering rams, and some foot knights. Oh and angels!
Warchief Diggah o da Bloodmoon Squiggahs
They are the main three that need updating in my opinion, either through age or the changes in playstyle required for change in edition to rebalance the units appropriately.
Fantasy: Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Tomb Kings.
LotR: Misty Mountains and Rohan
This is just circumstantial evidence, but there are four different wargaming stores within 100 miles of my house that I regularly visit and I have never seen one person playing Wood Elves. I never saw anyone play them before their most recent army book came out and I only saw one guy try to play them after their army book came out and he has since sold them all.
I would suggest updating armies that are popular first. Vampire Counts, Bretonians and Ogre Kingoms come to mind.
i had 2 regular wood ef players nearby, one dumped them to play imperial guards instead and the other one i havent seen since 8th. Funny enough there are several Chaos dwarf players quite content, so i'l join you guys in the wood elfs need a new book Noaw!
Warchief Diggah o da Bloodmoon Squiggahs
here's my votes : Wood Elves - Vampire Counts - Bretonnia
Wood Elves because my best buddy is playing them, and they need a update really soon.
Vampire Counts because Undead have been nerfed, and since Tomb Kings's having it in may, maybe VC can have their own too.
Bretonnia because Cavalry is meh now, and their focus is Knights, which makes the army as a whole meh.
- In Asuryan's name
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- Looking into the steely eyes of his foes, Kolgar felt his blood run cold. There was no fear upon the eyes of the Elves, only ruthless determination.
Well, the one army that really needs an update but isnt on the list and it won't get one: Dogs of War. It was one of the most insteresting Armies that was available when I started but became OOP fast. Too bad GW let them fade out. Now, Im a one army man with Brettonia, but I know if the were updated Woods Elves' popularity would grow so I think they need it the most.
I voted Brets (for me) and WE's
Vampire Counts are actually one of the strongest armies in the game (still...) your characters cost a ton but you have access to all the rulebook lores, except life, unlike other armies, and the ability to basically tarpit with 50 zombies is still AWESOME!
I however voted for wood elves, one of the few elf armies I don't find G$Y...well....they are but I like the fluff (it was written before Mat Ward lost his mind).
Dwarfs - still very powerful in 8th, but just out of age need a re-do.
Brettonia would be my next choice, again out of age mostly but the ol' brettons could use some new improved rules. With karate chop action!