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Firstly, apologies if I am not posting this to the correct forum I couldn't see any general WFB area.
I used to play 4th and 5th edition WFB back during my teenage years, recently I have been getting back into strategy board games and playing a lot of Settlers of Catan, Risk etc. It's piqued my interest in purchasing the Island of Blood box set and having a go at returning to WFB.
I was just wondering how different things are between the editions I played and the most current revision. I have poked about here and there and it seems that the game is a lot more orientated towards actual blocks of troops rather than powerful characters.
Also as I am now only a few months away from turning 30 how is the average age of the WFB gamer? Am I going to struggle finding opponents around?
Again, apologies that this isn't a post related to WFB rules.
Well, having played the editions that you mentioned, I can tell you that you're going to notice a lot of new changes-
1. The Magic Phase: magic is now determined by rolling 2 dice to generate Casting Dice, and your opponent matches the highest of the two in Dispel Dice. There are still items which permit you to have additional dice, as well as every Wizard having the chance to "channel" (roll a 6 on a D6) to get an additional dice. However, you are capped at 12 dice. This sounded great initially, because it seemed that they had finally balanced the magic phase. However, the spells in the updated edition are brutal. There are spells which effect an entire unit, force a characteristic test, and then kill the affected models without any save. Magic can now make or break a game, and unfortunately, it's all on the luck of 2 dice.
2. Step-Up, Hordes, and Steadfast: this is what you were indirectly referring to when you mentioned a focus on larger blocks of troops. The three rules mentioned are:
- Step Up: regiments now fight in 2 ranks, with or without spears (spears fight in 3). Killing models from the front rank no longer negates attacks, meaning that you can't just send in Cavalry or a beat-stick character to kill 5 guys and win combat without having being struck back. This, along with Steadfast, is the bane of Cavalry in 8th edition. Note that the second and subsequent ranks only get 1 attack, regardless of attacks on their profile.
- Horde: if a regiment is 10 models wide (6 for 50mm bases) they can attack in an additional rank. That means 3 ranks instead of the usual 2, and 4 if you have spears.
- Steadfast: similar to the Horde, this rule states that if you have more ranks (ranks, not rank bonuses- 1 rank is therefore steadfast against monsters) than your enemy, you are assumed to be Stubborn. This cannot be negated by being flanked by the enemy (although your rank bonus can be). This means that a lot of times you will see very deep formations for regiments bent on survival. The number of models required for a complete rank was changed to 5 in 7th edition, and remains so in 8th.
3. Percentages: they have gone back to the Percentage system from editions prior to your involvement in the game. Now, rather than having a sliding scale of units that you can include, we are given percentages of our army.
25% Core minimum
Within these choices, we can only have 3 duplicate Special Choices, and 2 duplicate Rares. Fortunately, you'll see that all of the updated armybooks have removed the '0-1' restrictions.
Characters still play a big part in Fantasy, as almost every army takes a Battle Standard Bearer, and some kind of magical support. Gone, however, are the days when an army consisted of several Lords on scary mounts, riding around wreaking havoc on mook-type regiments and dueling opposing Lords at midfield. There are still powerful characters in existence- Teclis is quite loathed under his current ruleset, as are some of the builds available to other armybooks. Special Characters are now included in the armylist and no longer require your opponent's permission to be fielded. However, some people (and many tournaments) still uphold the ban on named characters appearing in an army.
So that takes care of the changes that you'll likely notice first. As for finding opponents? That largely depends upon where you live. Fortunately, Fantasy is the more "adult" of the two games, and you won't be plagued by SMurfs like the 40k gamers are. The average age of a Fantasy player in my area is right around 30 actually. A lot of the guys have families, ex-wives, and work a day job with a dependable stream of expendable income. A lot of the younger gamers are also a bit more mature. I've discovered that age isn't as big an issue in this hobby- it's maturity. And for some reason, Fantasy tends to take in the more mature demographic.
Catan and Risk are great games. I hope that you can make your way back to Fantasy, we always like fresh faces here at LO. Have you got any armies in mind? Or what did you play in the past?
Wow, thanks for the detailed reply Sarathai it's really useful.
The game seems very different to what my hazy mind can recollect. I still have an old rulebook for 5th edition lying around somewhere at home but I won't bother digging it out now as I think it's just likely to confuse things even more. I have been looking at purchasing the Island of Blood starter set as it appears you get a nice collection of models and the full rulebook etc.
Back in the day I used to play a lot of greenskins and undead but did have a small force of high elves as well. Unfortunately these have all been given to charity shops and lost amongst the turbulence of constant flat/house moves during my twenties. Skaven seem quite attractive plus you appear to get a healthy sized set of miniatures in the boxed game. Apart from that I'm not sure - i've never been a fan of Dwarves or Empire and I don't fancy playing Orcs and Gobbo's again.
I live in Brighton so I have a GW store local so might pop in at some point just to get a feel for things again and have a chat to the staff, hopefully they might be able to point me in the direction of a few players who might be willing to ease me back into WFB with some small games. The missus has voiced that she would be interested in playing the game but has no interest in painting models, but to be honest she constantly wipes the floor with me at Catan so I am not sure my ego can deal with her destroying me at WFB as well even while I am re-learning all the rules
Thanks so much again for the reply, already glad I found this forum.
Welcome back to WFB!
I returned to the game about a year ago myself, I had also played until 5th edition, Sarathai covered a lot of the major changes, but, I would recommend just picking up the rulebook and having a quick read through then getting some games in as the rules are now so different its practically a whole new game (and I better one in my own opinion).
I'm not that far from you myself (Portsmouth) and in my 30's, I'm finding theres a lot of people around our age getting back into the game so don't find it to hard to get a game when I want one. I really recommend finding a local club, GW stores do normally have a vets night where you can meet up and play, but, in my experience these are generally mostly 40k and the shops can get crowded.
The Isle of Blood is a very good way to get what you need, you get a fair amount of Skaven and Elves and the rulebook (The smaller book that comes with the set is much easier to cart around than the big red book).
If you don't want to keep both armies, they sell well on ebay or you will probably will find someone willing to trade for them.
Captain said it all i think
Id say the models have become very pretty!
Have fun looking around at the GW, hope to see you around more.
Warchief Diggah o da Bloodmoon Squiggahs
Excellent thanks guys for all your info and suggestions.
I have had a bit of a poke around and it seems that there is one gaming club in Brighton but they meet on Monday evenings which is no good for me as I play football on those nights. I am aiming to get into town this weekend and pop by GW for a poke around.
Again thanks for all the posts.