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I just don't get it... Why does it seem like everyone has a huge hate-on for VC's and claim they're the most broken & OP army in 8th?!?
Granted the 1 single cookie-cutter power-build is nasty, but it's not hard to kill it... (with FIRE!) Or any super spell really, considering that undead have crap initiative and S4 isn't that much protection from Dwellers spam.
But overall, whenever I'm asked what army I play and I answer VC's, I can't help but feel like a pariah all of a sudden and for some reason I'm automatically considered, 'That Guy'.
Seriously, what gives here?! What makes VC's so bloody OP that everyone still seems to cry foul about us?
VC's were (past tense) really high up on the OP rankings so to speak. However as far as I understand they got fairly nerfed by 8th ed and are definitely middle of the pack at best. People just enjoy hating on them because they were powerful and used to own them.
Lots of people dont pay attention to how much things get nerfed when it isn't their army or at least attempt to play it down, so are relatively uninformed.
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Sadly I've shelved my VC's for now because I don't want to be labled as 'That Guy'...
Hell, the last time I had tried to use them, I told my potential opponent up front that I wasn't taking the Dickenhof banner, Helm was on a Thrall, not a single Ghoul anywhere in my list and no big unit of Wraiths either... It was a Themed Lahmian force of Skeletons, Wights & pretty Vampire girls.
He still aruged that he needed to re-rool his list because VC's are broken to begin with.
I walked away and didn't play him, but then, no one else wanted to play me afterwards... (accept with tailored lists I suspect)
I can see both sides to that one.
I can understand walking away and refusing to play someone because they insist on re-making their list upon learning the race of their opponent. I don't like tailored lists. The only time i run them is when its very clear (between me and a few close friends) that we're tailoring to each other, in which case it becomes rather interesting. But more often then not, I frown upon tailored lists. As such, I can't say I blame you for refusing to play against someone who insisted on doing that, especially when it clearly happened because you told him about your list. That's just a huge foul in my mind, an a near unforgivable offense.
To the same token, however, its hard to blame everyone else too. I would be weary of playing with anyone who simply walked out on an opponent like that. That being said, I do NOT think he should alter his list, and I do NOT think that you were wrong to not play him if he insisted on doing it. But to people who don't know the whole story, all they see is you getting upset with your opponent and walking out on a game. The outside prospective is poor sportsmanship, and that is probably what everyone is reacting to. And that goes against the whole spirit of the game. Its a game. I don't like it when people tailor lists, but if they do it I play anyway. I usually end up losing. Oh well. Can't have a perfect record.... I'm sure if you explained the whole thing to people they'd be willing to play with you agian. Unless you really blew up at the guy and started yelling and screaming or something. So long as you remained proffesional through the endevour, they've really got no reason to refuse if you clear up any misconceptions.
But back to the original point of the thread, I'll fully back what waddywoos said. The main reason VC players tend to catch flak is because people who don't play VC don't understand how 8th edition really impacted the vampires. All they think of is how we were in 7th, i.e.: having combat casters, 12+ power dice (compared to average 7), 7+ dispel dice (average 5), spamming one dice IoN, and being outnumbered by crap tons of fear causing zombies and autobreaking. But none of this really happens anymore (aside from our casters still being beasts in combat). They just don't get this, and won't be able to grasp it until they actually play against VC. But then, as you've pointed out, they'll probably tool the list specifically against VC, and probably win. They they'll probably give credit for the win to the customized list instead of VC nerf.
I'm with Waddy on this one. VC were one insanely nasty, mayhap broken, books in the last edition. I wont go on to why as that will take ages and I don't have the time but, needless to say, they gained a certain stigma from the other players. This stigma has, wrongly, carried on to this edition.
Although I haven't met or played anyone who is still unaware that VC have taken a kick in the teeth with the new Magic rules. I figure if they are that unaware of what their opponents are capable of then they aren't that capable themselves.
As for the whole list tailoring thing. Personally I wouldn't have walked from the game but I might have said that, as my list was an all comers list, I expected to fight an all comers list. Hell, if they had done that you could have said that you were going to re-write your list to fight them. I generally play with the same age old list anyway, I tweak it now and again if I find somethign isn'tt working as well as I'd have thought but I've never tailored a list. People who tailor lists generally are pants at writing good balanced lists.