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hey guys, I was just wondering about dragons. One of the major things that caught my eye like a fish hook and dragged me into looking at WHFB was the just awesome dragon models. So, I am curious if very many people play dragons in standard tournament size 2250pts lists. Or if these are really saved for 3000+ pts games. And another note, do y'all find dragons cheese? I don't think they really are, but I am just looking for everyone opinions on dragons in general. (too much of a pt drain for 2250 etc)
:w00t: thanks guys!
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I have a Wood Elf Highborn on Forest Dragon (pics in WE showcase somewhere), which rarely gets used, although that's mostly because I have no easy way (or, in fact, any way at all) to transport him.
In 2000 points or less, dragons are a massive point sink although I would imagine they can be very effective (they can also be useless - mine got wiped in turn one once by concentrated cannon fire). To be honest, I wouldn't really use one in an army of less than 2500 points unless I was just playing a fun game (e.g "who can make the most cheese list" or something like that).
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Dragons represent a huge point investment in 1 model. If your opponent can take it down at range, you've probably lost the game. If they can't, you've probably won. IMO, the inclusion of a dragon below 3000 pts makes for an unbalanced game, one way or the other.
I don't think they are cheesey. They can hurt more than they help if you use them wrong, or they get shot up. You also have to structure your army list around them IMO, otherwise they end up unsupported and wiped out.
I've not had personal success with a dragon. Mine get shot up, fanatic-ed to pieces, magicked to death, or otherwise destroyed at range before I'm able to get into CC. Of course, the only time I've tried a dragon was against a maxed out mage/gunline/night-goblin-fanatic player in 6th edition. If I played against a more balanced army, I might have a different opinion.
Last edited by kooshlord; April 20th, 2007 at 18:13.
Dragons are big point investment. You've already heard two people make that case, so I won't repeat it.
If you're going to use a dragon, make sure you have something to back it up. You can get a lot of dryads for the cost of one dragon, and what's going to kill more in the course of a game? In the course of a tournament?
good points. I'm thinking that I may just have the model bc it is awesome but never really play with it. it seems like maybe it really is too much of a pt drain. also most of my games are and will be with friends so it is not any fun just to see a huge monster plow through aka unbalanced and not much strategy. I guess this is the same reason I have stayed away from treemen so far. -i know i know treemen aren't the same- I just see it as a massive power house that is basically a dragon that can't fly.
I was more tempted to think about it just bc the model looks great
That's the whole point. The idea of a highborn sailing around on a dragon with his magical bow launching arrows that ignore armor while his reptilic mount eats up the foe is just exceptionally cool.
It satisfies that part of our imagination that loves a fantasy battle.
But in terms of game play, it's not that great.
If you really want to go with a dragon, go with it, but be really smart about the rest of your unit composition.
You need a really fast army to support a dragon. Wild Riders, eagles, archers, dryads, whatever you can do to help your general charging out there and representing 25% of your army list.
was just pulling your chains man. and saying that it would be a cool direction GW might take in the future. Right now, it really looks like a dragon army would just maybe not be fun to play against etc
If you like the model then go for it.
Gaming terms, if I knew you were going to take a Dragon beforehand then I reckon I could tailor my list to kill it quite well. Although against an all comers list it might be a nasty shock.
Just don't become known as the guy who always takes a dragon, because people will know what to expect and prepare for it. Try varied lists as well.
For instance with my lizardmen sometimes I would take a Slann and sometimes I would take hardly any magic at all. My opponents had to guess whether they needed to stock up on magic defence or not when writing a list against me