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Firstly I'd like to say I'm new to Warhammer tabletop so I would like some opinions on a list which contains monsters and is good in a 1000 point range, but also workable up to 2000 as well.
I created a list earlier which I think is quite good but I'd like some feedback on it and if any improvements can be made.
1x Troll King Throgg = 185
Reason: I think he's the staple for a monster army bringing the ability for Trolls to be core and an army wide 8 leadership.
1x Chaos Sorceror, Level 2, Barded steed = 136
Reason: Against the Dark Elves and Vampire counts (explained below) I really need the dispel dice this sorceror brings, and the spells aren't bad either.
3x Trolls = 135
Reason: Nice, tough units and as core they're essential. Stupidity might be a problem but would work decent as an avil?
3x Trolls = 135
Reason: As above.
2x Chaos Spawn, Mark of Khorne = 130
Reason: Really fast unit and can dish out quite a bit of pain if the dice rolls go my way (which they normally don't!). They'll come in handy protecting the flanks.
3x Dragon Ogre, Additional hand weapons = 219
Reason: Nice hammer units when they get close. I added the additional hand weapons because with strength 5 12 hits, against most DE and VC units my friends use they'll rip most things apart.
5x Chaos Warhounds = 30
Reason: Screens for my units to advance a little closer before they get hit with arrows.
5x Chaos Warhounds = 30
Reason: Same as above.
I play against my friends who have quite a few varying armies which are Dark Elves, Dwarves, Lizardmen and Vampire Counts. However, the ones I am up against mostly are DE and VC.
At the moment I have a basic mortal army which I find is just not fast enough to get to my enemies before getting mashed so I was looking for alternative armies to use. I hear cavalry is really nice but a ton of horses isn't really my thing. Heavy armour and gruesome beasties for me!
Anyway. If you got this far, thanks for reading. I look forward to seeing any and all replies.
Personally i feel that the monster army lacks an edge in smaller point games as you miss out the heavily armoured Ogres and Dragon Shaggoths.
Throgg and a couple of units of trolls are a nice place to start with any monster list, i wont complain at having trolls as core any day. Stupidity shouldn't be too much of a problem with Throgg close by as he will lend his LD 8 to those close enough.
The two units should become a decent anvil if you didnt want to use the Dragon Ogres as an anvil, which seems to be the more popular choice on here. Either way keeping Throgg close to or in the anvil unit will bolster them.
The only choice im not sure in is the Spawns as ive never used them but i dont know what else you would put in its place with out dropping a unit of hounds to get the points for 3 more trolls or 3 MoK Chaos Armour Great Wepon weilding Ogres.
If your just going to use your Sorcerer for dispel then you can get away with leaving him as a level 1 which will free up those points to change the spawn in to something else.
Yes, removing the Level 2 from the Sorceror is a good idea. I will probably do that. Frees up some points I could use somewhere else.
I'd be happy to remove the Chaos Warhounds when fighting the Vampire Counts because my friend doesn't use any range (do they have any range to begin with?) and do as you suggested and maybe put some Ogres in there whilst removing the spawns/hounds. Still a little torn though because he seems to use his Black Knights and Black Coach to good effect when attacking from the sides. 5 year Warhammer player vs. 2 week player is bad!
Thanks for the pointers. They help a lot.
You will gain your feet sooner or later, ill be honest im still trying to find mine when it comes to Warriors.
You can drop the hounds against the VC player as the only shooting i am aware of is the Banshees howl. You could use them to bait his frenzied units but i believe thats only the blood knights.
If you give the Dragon Ogres Great Weapons you can throw them towards the Black Coach as he only needs to fail one save and the thing goes boom thanks to S7.
Instead of adding the Ogres another unit of Dragon Ogres with Great weapons wouldnt hurt that list.