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    2500 vs. Brets, random scenario - Friendly

    Hello everyone,

    been a long time lurker and finally decided to step out in the open and become an active member, as far as time allows.

    Been playing Warhammer a couple of years in the 90s and have gotten back into it since the release of 8th edition.

    So, as you can guess, I would be grateful if you could comment on below army list.
    It is for a friendly 2500 points game vs. Bretonians, no special characters and a random rulebook scenario will be played (hoping for Watchtower ;-)).

    Thank you in advance!

    Cheers
    Michael

    1 Sorcerer Lord, 365 pts (General; Level 4 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor)
    . . 1 Enchanted Shield
    . . 1 Infernal Puppet
    . . 1 Talisman of Preservation
    . . 1 The Lore of Shadow


    1 Exalted Hero of Tzeentch (Battle Standard Bearer), 195 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Battle Standard Bearer)
    . . 1 Ogre Blade
    . . 1 Pidgeon Plucker Pendant


    1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle, 130 pts (Mark of Nurgle; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor)
    . . 1 Dispel Scroll
    . . 1 The Lore of Nurgle

    1 Exalted Hero of Tzeentch, 180 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield)
    . . 1 Disc of Tzeentch (Flaming Attacks; Causes Fear; Flyer)
    . . 1 Biting Blade
    . . 1 Talisman of Endurance


    50 Chaos Marauders of Khorne, 288 pts (Always Strikes Last; Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Great Weapon; Frenzy)


    18 Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch, 326 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield)


    18 Chaos Warriors of Khorne, 364 pts (Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy)
    . . 1 Banner of Eternal Flame


    6 Chaos Warhounds, XXX pts


    6 Chaos Warhounds, XXX pts


    1 Hellcannon, XXX pts (Causes Terror; Large Target; Unbreakable)
    . . 3 Crew (Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)




    5 Marauder Horsemen of Khorne, 105 pts (Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Hand Weapon; Flail; Fast Cavalry; Frenzy)
    . . 5 Warhorse


    6 Trolls, XXX pts (Causes Fear; Immune to Psychology; Regenerate; Stupid)






    Composition Report:
    Points of Lords: 365 (0 - 625)
    Points of Heroes: 505 (0 - 625)
    Points of Core: 1083 (625 - Unlimited)
    Points of Special: XXX (0 - 1250)
    Points of Rare: XXX (0 - 625)


    Total Roster Cost: 2500

    Last edited by Catweazle77; May 24th, 2012 at 19:41.

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    Your BSB could do with a bit of protection, (can't remember what the pigeon plucker pendant does right now), maybe give him a halberd instead to free up points for other defence.
    I'd also try to find the points for a champion in whatever unit you put your sorcerer lord in (and possibly in the other characters' units), and also a drummer for the marauders could be useful. But in case your sorcerer lord does end up in a challenge, the distendible maw works nicely in conjunction with lore of shadow, to swallow opponents whole.
    Finally I'd change the mark on your MHorsemen to slaanesh for greater reliability (I'm assuming these guys are going after trebuchets, so you don't want them charging into a knight unit).

    Overall it looks like it could work well, although I'm not to sure about lore of nurgle, as I've never used it much, but quagmire (I think it's that one) works well against heavy armour, so it could pay off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catweazle77 View Post
    Hello everyone,

    been a long time lurker and finally decided to step out in the open and become an active member, as far as time allows.

    Been playing Warhammer a couple of years in the 90s and have gotten back into it since the release of 8th edition.

    So, as you can guess, I would be grateful if you could comment on below army list.
    It is for a friendly 2500 points game vs. Bretonians, no special characters and a random rulebook scenario will be played (hoping for Watchtower ;-)).

    Thank you in advance!

    Cheers
    Michael

    1 Sorcerer Lord, 365 pts (General; Level 4 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor)
    . . 1 Enchanted Shield
    . . 1 Infernal Puppet
    . . 1 Talisman of Preservation
    . . 1 The Lore of Shadow

    Looks good.

    1 Exalted Hero of Tzeentch (Battle Standard Bearer), 195 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Battle Standard Bearer)
    . . 1 Ogre Blade
    . . 1 Pidgeon Plucker Pendant

    Ogre Blade isn't worth it, what are you actually going to be fighting that requires that much S? I think take the Armor of Destiny and a Halb. You should be fine and plenty hard to kill.

    1 Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle, 130 pts (Mark of Nurgle; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor)
    . . 1 Dispel Scroll
    . . 1 The Lore of Nurgle

    Haha ha ... trying to suck those knights into the bog are we?

    1 Exalted Hero of Tzeentch, 180 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield)
    . . 1 Disc of Tzeentch (Flaming Attacks; Causes Fear; Flyer)
    . . 1 Biting Blade
    . . 1 Talisman of Endurance

    A halbard will do you a big better, imo.


    50 Chaos Marauders of Khorne, 288 pts (Always Strikes Last; Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Great Weapon; Frenzy)


    18 Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch, 326 pts (Mark of Tzeentch; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield)


    18 Chaos Warriors of Khorne, 364 pts (Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy)
    . . 1 Banner of Eternal Flame


    6 Chaos Warhounds, xxpts


    6 Chaos Warhounds, xxpts

    You should avoid these pts being up there, one can easily figure out the invididual cost of warhounds this way which is against LO rules.

    1 Hellcannon, xxxpts (Causes Terror; Large Target; Unbreakable)
    . . 3 Crew (Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour)

    Same here, anyone who owns the book knows what this costs - but it's against the rules to post the pt value.



    5 Marauder Horsemen of Khorne, 105 pts (Beserk Rage; Mark of Khorne; Hand Weapon; Flail; Fast Cavalry; Frenzy)
    . . 5 Warhorse


    6 Trolls, xxxpts (Causes Fear; Immune to Psychology; Regenerate; Stupid)

    More points.





    Composition Report:
    Points of Lords: 365 (0 - 625)
    Points of Heroes: 505 (0 - 625)
    Points of Core: 1083 (625 - Unlimited)
    Points of Special: 270 (0 - 1250)
    Points of Rare: 205 (0 - 625)


    Total Roster Cost: 2500
    Last edited by Blackheart; May 25th, 2012 at 00:29.
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    Thanks for the quick and constructive feedback guys!

    Edited my original post so that hopefully now it's in accordance with LO rules.

    Thinking about it, you probably both have valid points regarding the halberds on the exalteds.

    The PPP ended up in there because when I played this guy before his pegasus knights gave me a real headache. But then, I did not play the glorious Warriors of Chaos back then ;-)

    Don't know if Lore of Nurgle is really worth it, but at least on paper it looks pretty good against Brets I think, also it can combo nicely with Shadows.

    Will try to incorporate your suggestions into my list, if anyone else has more feedback, go ahead

    Cheers!

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    Only way the biting blade is worth it, is if you are not mounted and can get a parry save. That with Tzeentch makes 5+, but even then that is low compared to the saves you could get with Armour of Destiny / Talis of Pres. (3+)

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    Doesn't the BRB say that you cannot parry when using a magic weapon?
    I'm pretty sure it does.

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    Oh yep I think youre right! Oh well nvm.

    **You would still get the armor bonus from the shield in close combat though but not if you had a halberd, I'm pretty sure.
    Last edited by AshBorn; May 25th, 2012 at 08:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshBorn View Post
    Oh yep I think youre right! Oh well nvm.

    **You would still get the armor bonus from the shield in close combat though but not if you had a halberd, I'm pretty sure.
    Right. You lose the armor bonus in CC when using a halb but I wouldn't focus too much on armor save. It's ward save and killing ability that matters most in this particular case. So the Armor of Destiny and the Halberd is better than a 2+ armor save and a -1 AS modifier when wounding.
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    Okay, games is done.

    List worked pretty well overall, especially since I was lucky enough to roll Quagmire with my Nurgle Sorcerer, which in combination with Miasma from the Lvl4 killed one unti of Knights of the Realm, including the general, as well as most of another unti of KotR, incluing th BSB.

    The Exalted on Disc was abit disappointinh, but that's because of my bad dice rolling (kept rolling 2s to hit, and when he hit I rolled 4s).
    Thus it took 7 or 8 close combat rounds to kill the Trebuchet and he almost got killed in the process, too.

    But hey, that'sbad dice for you, isn't it.

    Thanks again for all the input.

    Cheers!

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    I was lucky enough to roll Quagmire with my Nurgle Sorcerer
    lol

    It's almost unfair ... I say almost because I like WoC.
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