2500pt undivided

[Jimmy_boy]

Right, I guess you may call this an experimental list and, as such, I would like to see what other people think of it. I was planning to use it in a friendly game but have not yet had the chance. There are a few things which may appear a little suspect, but I'll put down the bottom my thoughts on it:

2500 points undivided mortal list:

Chaos Lord:
-Gaze of gods
-armour of damnation
-sword of striking
-enchanted shield

Chaos sorcerer:
-lvl 2
-spell familiar
-scroll
-slaanesh

Exhalted champ.:
Barded steed
Shield
Tzeentch
Scroll x2

25 Marauders:
-shields
-Light armour
-FC

Chariot of Slaanesh

Chariot of Tzeentch

24 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-FC

20 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-Chosen
-FC
-Mark of Khorne

5 Chaos Knights:
-chosen
-FC
-Tzeentch

Special:
3 Nurgling bases

8 PD
5 DD

Total: 2498 points


OK, a rather mixed bag I know. The lord goes with the warriors, not the chosen ones since they already have enough hitting power imho. The exhalted champ goes with the knights and casts whilst in that unit. Then the Slaanesh sorcerer will play his usual roll of casting supportive/nuisance magic. The nurgling bases are there since it's a relatively cheap swarm unit. The key here is manouevering my units so that combat occurs on my grounds, particularly with the chosen warriors and knights.

Now, a few points to consider:
1. General thoughts on the list as a whole. Open to any/all criticism

2. That exhalted champ was put in so I could get a fighty/casting character all in one. However, I'm wondering if it would be more effective to just get another slaaneshi sorcerer and possibly drop the nurglings and tzeentch on the knights to get an undivided exhalted champ in that unit.

3. Again on the nurgling bases. Should I use them or take 2 chaos spawn instead? I was torn between the two, and I initially picked the nurglings for the 5+ daemonic ward and cloud of flies to help them in combat. Also, spawn aren't the most reliable things in the world.

4. Does a lack of any fast cavalry restrict the effectiveness of this list? I tried to fit some horsemen in but it proved difficult.

[timk1111]

:ninja: gday. youve got quite a mixed bag here. let me see now..

2500 points undivided mortal list:

Chaos Lord:
-Gaze of gods
-armour of damnation
-sword of striking
-enchanted shield

this guys has got awsome defence and good offense. nice.

Chaos sorcerer:
-lvl 2
-spell familiar
-scroll
-slaanesh

fine. only one scroll may be a waste of points, but if youve got em to spare..

Exhalted champ.:
Barded steed
Shield
Tzeentch
Scroll x2

this guy is tough. maybe give him a great weapon so he can break chariots to pieces, and also to deal high toughness, high armour save enemy. course, that'll reduce his armour, so its upto you.

25 Marauders:
-shields
-Light armour
-FC

very nice. these guys do well with a charcter with em (static combat res + wounds = win combat) if that general of yours was here too, it may take attention away from those awsome warriors on the field.

Chariot of Slaanesh

Chariot of Tzeentch

these are both good too.

24 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-FC

these guys are gonna be pretty tough to beat.

20 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-Chosen
-FC
-Mark of Khorne

ok, so heres to points sink. imho, i dont think a warrior unit of khorne needs to be chosen as well. they should have plenty attacks. however, you could give the mark of khorne to the other warrior unit, and then youll have 2 equally tough units that can dish it out.

5 Chaos Knights:
-chosen
-FC
-Tzeentch

very good. i love chosen knights of khorne. :shifty:

Special:
3 Nurgling bases

id even change these guys for furies, coz cannons are gonna make your chariots cry.

8 PD
5 DD

you have 10 powerdice

Total: 2498 points


OK, a rather mixed bag I know. The lord goes with the warriors, not the chosen ones since they already have enough hitting power imho. The exhalted champ goes with the knights and casts whilst in that unit. Then the Slaanesh sorcerer will play his usual roll of casting supportive/nuisance magic. The nurgling bases are there since it's a relatively cheap swarm unit. The key here is manouevering my units so that combat occurs on my grounds, particularly with the chosen warriors and knights.

remember, that characters can only join units with the same mark, so that slaanesh lad can only join the maruders (sincethey have no mark, an the warriors count as mark of individed)

Now, a few points to consider:
1. General thoughts on the list as a whole. Open to any/all criticism

2. That exhalted champ was put in so I could get a fighty/casting character all in one. However, I'm wondering if it would be more effective to just get another slaaneshi sorcerer and possibly drop the nurglings and tzeentch on the knights to get an undivided exhalted champ in that unit.

nah. tzeentch is fine. the combo of marks and characters you have i think is good. plus you have plenty of dispel and power dice. as this is the only ranged attack you have, keep em.

3. Again on the nurgling bases. Should I use them or take 2 chaos spawn instead? I was torn between the two, and I initially picked the nurglings for the 5+ daemonic ward and cloud of flies to help them in combat. Also, spawn aren't the most reliable things in the world.

spawn are good ar hold up units, and if they were slaanesh, they're damn fast. also, unbreakable t5 units can come in handy against hordes like skaven, and goblins, to draw out fanatics. however, id get furies for machine hunting. if you dont like spawn but want a unit that doesnt run away, try a giant.

4. Does a lack of any fast cavalry restrict the effectiveness of this list? I tried to fit some horsemen in but it proved difficult.

i dont think fast cav a needed in a chaos army as everything can look after itself. they are a good dose of speed but theyll die easy anyway. i only use em as a cheap core choice.


as a whole, i think its a pretty good list. considereing all those expensive characters, you've fit in quite a lot i think. .

finally, since you have a slaanesh guy, but no khorne, you could change that unit of 20 chosen of khorne, to 20 chosen of slaanesh with the slaanesh standard (soporific musk!!) they'll deal plenty of death, and are so damn hard to hit. they're also imposible to flank with fast cav or anything, coz none die, then they get 8 attacks against the flankers.

also get that general into combat ASAP. he really is a monster. oh, and always challange with him. :ninja:

anyway good luckand well done.

[kooshlord]

First, you've worked all 4 marks into an army. Kudos to you for fluff! However, I think the army is too small and too vulnerable to shooting/ being outmaneuvered as it stands. You have 5 combat units, a swarm, and 3 characters. Seems too easy to out-manuever and pick apart.

I don't like Tzeentch characters below lord-level, They have trouble casting their nasty spells, and their normal spells are easily duplicated by magic equiptment/magic missles from other lores. I especially dislike a Tzeentch scroll-bearer, that seems like a waste of a potential magic gear. You could instead give him the mirror, which could be invaluable to you, and some fighting gear. Or you could give the tzeentch hero the golden eye, and put him on a chariot. That always appeals to me.

Give your chosen Khorne warriors the banner of Rage, for some insurance in CC. Pricey unit to lose to a fluke roll.

I think you have too few units for a 2500 points army. If you want a fluffy 4-mark army, I'd do the following: drop the 24 warriors for two reasonable units of marauders. Drop all chosen status, and buy some screens/fast-cav.

[TheCommodore]

Chaos Lord:
-Gaze of gods
-armour of damnation
-sword of striking
-enchanted shield

Unfortunately, you can't have both armour of damnation and enchanted shield. Sorry.


5 Chaos Knights:
-chosen
-FC
-Tzeentch

Just a thought, but with new rules, the psychology is passed onto the mount, so Khorne gets frenzied horses.

[kooshlord]

Unfortunately, you can't have both armour of damnation and enchanted shield. Sorry.

Just a thought, but with new rules, the psychology is passed onto the mount, so Khorne gets frenzied horses.

Both of these points are for the new rules. Depending on your club, these may or may not be in effect yet. The rules in 6th edition BRB state that you may in fact combine the enchanted shield with other magic armor.

Pysch is passed onto the mount huh. I hadn't heard that... sounds pretty good for Chaos. Especially against those spells that target mounts, or use the mounts leadership or whatever... I don't know if Khorne knights needed to be even more powerful though...

[laughingman]

ok, here it is, the chosen 25 man khorn warior unit is way!!!!!!!!to big. 16 is all u need, i say that becsuae half die to shooting but half live, do a sh..load of wounds and win anyway. 2 16 units of khorn with shields will do more in this list than the one heavy hitter. ill post this then look back at what ele you wrote.

[Jimmy_boy]

Thanks for the feedback. As I said it is an experimental list, so all your points are much appreciated

Alright then, I have to agree that the chosen warriors are a huuuuuuge points sink. Also I've taken the other points on board and modified the list a little bit, so here is the revised edition:

Chaos Lord:
-Gaze of gods
-armour of damnation
-sword of striking
-shield

Modified for the new rules, cheers for the warning commodore

Chaos sorcerer:
-lvl 2
-spell familiar
-scroll
-slaanesh

Chaos sorcerer:
-lvl 2
-Slaansesh
-Scroll x2

25 Marauders:
-shields
-Light armour
-FC

Chariot of Slaanesh

Chariot of Tzeentch

20 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-FC

16 chaos warriors:
-Shields
-FC
-khorne
-banner of rage

5 Chaos Knights:
-chosen
-FC
-tzeentch

5 marauder horsmen
-throwing axes
-musician

10 warhounds

Special:

3 chaos trolls

Rare:

Fiend of Slaanesh

Total: 2486 points

Obviously a few changes here. Chaos knights always bother me. I like to include them in a list, because I think (fluff-wise) any successful band of chaos is going to have knights with them. However, I find them a little too expensive for my tastes, and they attract waaaaay too much fire. Anywho, stuck with tzeentch, mainly for the extra PD, but also since khorne knights are uber-pricey.

Anyway, I lost the nerglings, mainly since I don't want nurgle travelling with this band. They don't quite fit. Instead I've gone for the spawn and added some trolls for a bit more speed and hard-hitting power.

The warhounds have been added for screening purposes (will probably divide them into 2 units of 5 but not sure) and the horsemen for some extra manoueverability, and for that nuisance factor of having fast cavalry.

I will say now, however, that my major inspiration for this list was the fact that I hate organised chaos. The whole point was that this was going to be a chaotic list, in case any of you were wondering what possessed me to make such a bizarre one.

[Sammy the Squib]

I disagree with laughingman. I think 16 is too small for any unit of infantry, even chaos warriors. Why risk not having that extra combat res?

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Stonehambey