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Hi, I'm new to the site and new to WH in general. I have started a Tzeentch Mortal Army. From what I have seen, Exalted Daemons are fairly bad for generals, but please tell me what you guys think. Please also don't recommend that I need to add like 30 marauders (I have an extensive short attention-span, and thus can't paint more than like 15 models without getting bored out of my mind :lol:
Oh, I think I put this in the wrong forum, sorry.
Here is it, my 1k tzeentch army, I hope I didn't make any math mistakes. (no marauders, atleast not yet) Also, if someone could offer any possible tactics or reccomendations, they would be gladly accepted. If you just want to tell me about how stupid I am for this army, thats fine too :yes: .
Exalted Daemon of Tzeentch 345 pts.
Master of Mortals
Mark of Tzeentch
Master of Sorcery
10x Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch 200 pts.
Add. Hand Weapon
Mark of Tzeentch
5x Chosen Knights of Tzeentch 275 pts.
Standard Bearer and Musician
Mark of Tzeentch
10x Horrors 175 pts.
Last edited by Kage; February 14th, 2007 at 01:23.
well first off, never purchase a champion for warriors or knights. They are way too expensive for just one extra attack, considering how your warriors have 2 already. On second hand, a daemon is a bit expensive. I would switch it to an exalted champion. Give him the spell familiar. Exalted Daemons are pretty bad for generals. Basically one cannon shot should probably finish them off(not counting luck as a factor).
What I found out to be a killer combo is giving your champion the sword of striking. This is because against toughness 3 enemies(which is likely for most battles) you already need 3's to hit(chances of this are very very high). With the sword of striking you hit on anything but and wound on anything but. It's a great combo.
Even though you said not to say it, I'll go ahead and piss you off anyways lol. Marauders are good, so when you get the chance you should add them. Horrors aren't the best, I'll tell you that much.
What I would do is add a beast herd from the beasts of chaos book and a chaos chariot of tzeentch and an exalted champion, with dropping all the daemons. Daemon characters are better for the bigger games. I'm an excellent tzeentch player(and slaanesh and nurgle and khorne and undivided...did I mention for both hordes and beasts of chaos? lol) so if you have any questions, let me know. If you plan on playing tzeentch in bigger games, let me know and I'll tell you the do's and don'ts.
I hope i helped.
Last edited by Kingkobra7221; February 14th, 2007 at 02:00.
Thanks, it was a huge help :yes: . I'm not mad or anything, I just didn't want to be told to make like 10 500 blocks of marauders because painting so many becomes wayyy to boring :tongue:
I am probably going to change the daemon prince, but I just wanted a prince to be unpredictable :ninja:
Any reccomendations on how I can beat an army of dwarves? (my friend is getting into it too and picked a dwarf army, and I'm pretty sure its going to be shooty so I think I want heavy magic)
Here was a plan I had started for a 2k (Should I swap both leaders for another flamer or should I just remove the chaos knight one to give my chariot the MoT?)
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch 545 pts.
Blade of the Ether
Master of Sorcery
Exalted Champion of Tzeentch 204pts.
Great Weapon (Do I want to change this?)
Hellcannon 320 pts.
12x Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch 294 pts.
Chosen Knights of Tzeentch 340 pts.
Chaos Chariot 120pts.
Oh, lastly, what did you mean when you said I should equip my champion with the sword of striking, I don't understand how having +1 to hit will help me.
Last edited by Kage; February 14th, 2007 at 20:37.
The list is descent. But I would never use it against dwarves. Plus your probably going to be extremely outnumbered.
But never give anything with chaos a great weapon. Never. Never purchase champions for knights or warriors. 16 points and up is way too expensive for one extra attack. Beleive me. Use the points for warhounds or a descent magic item.
Against dwarves a daemon prince is going to die turn 2, if not turn 1, from the inevitable shooting. This is my scoop against dwarves:
Chaos Lord, MoT, Daemonic Mount, Golden Eye, Beserker Sword, 470
15 Warriors, MoT, S-WarBanner, Shields, Halberds, Chosen 414
25x Marauders, Flails, S, M, C 185
10x Maruaders, Flails, S, M, C 85
5x Maruader Horsmen, Flails, S, M, C 105
Beast Herd 12 Gors (2 Handweapons) 159
8 Ungors(spears and shields)
10x Furies 150
5x Screamers 165
This totals 1995
Have your flyers charge his warmachines.
The golden eye of tzeentch will eat up tons of his shooting without aall the casualties. 25 marauders charge and the 10 support with a flank charge. Warriors charge and the marauder horsemen supports them in the flank. The beast herd is just for a screen. They take up any excess shooting so you warriors don't get hit badly. They are a good screen for being toughness 4 and skirmishers. The lord can kill a warmachine or two before supporting your bigger units. The reason for not going all out on magic is becuase Dwarves can put up a pretty good magic defense. So by not going magic heavy, he will waste points on pointless magic defense. The hellcannon is great. Drop it on his lords unit at least twice. Then do with it as you please.
You don't have to have marauders right away, but they do help.
I have won every single game against dwarves using this list, with the exception of I think 5 or 6. And there's plenty of dwarf players at my local shop.
Last edited by Kingkobra7221; February 15th, 2007 at 06:08.
Hey guys, I am not a pro or anything but I figured I might as well get in on the conversation and maybe get some advice for myself in the process haha.
Well in regards to your first list I definately agree with dropping the Exalted Daemon, He's good, but he cost more then 2 Exalted Champions lol and I found that a good exalted champion is usually more than enough to help any list.
Secondly very important imo Get more warriors lol The problem with Chaos that I found is the low numbers, 10 warriors will just get eaten up, if you face most other armies your looking at +1Standard +1Rank, compaired to your opponents +3Ranks +1Standard +1Outnumber. So right off the bat your looking at -3 combat res before you even start, and it can spell bad news. Not to mention the Panic checks from shooting/spells. I really like the chosen warriors with shields, tho I have been told time and time again to get rid of my chosen chaos warriors.If u have a 13 man block and throw a mounted exalted champion in there, you can do some dirty dirty things lol.
Next is the chosen knights, personally I have found that they are way to expensive for what you get in a 1000 points list. I know almost everyone swears by them but I figured I'd offer a different perspective. Personally I found that Chaos Trolls > Knights you could get 5 Trolls for the price of those Knights (Tho you don't really need more than 3) 4 str5 attacks each, and the optional vomit for a str5 Autohit No Armour saves. I have spanked entire units with a 3 troll charge lol, plus Regeneration is awesome. They are stupid tho and you have to be carecul charging into units cause of combat res. With 6 movement they are great for flanking and just murdering units.
I have never used Horrors (at least not yet haha) so I don't have any advice regarding them, nor have I ever fielded a 2000 point list so I can't really offer much help there either haha.
Anyways, that's about it from me lol.
Thanks for whoever moved this to the right forum. :yes:
If I can avoid it, I don't want to have to add marauders yet, I'm a pretty bad painter atm. (To show where I'm at, heres my regiment of 12 chaos warriors
Anyways, Just thanks for the list. Should I just get the Tzeentch Lord on a Disk, and use that?
Last edited by Kage; March 2nd, 2007 at 23:44.
Well first off sceaduwe, I take at least a unit of 18 warriors. My choice of chosen depends on the points left over and the army of my opponent. Though I agree chosen knights are too much in a 1000 pt game, and I rarely use them. I'd rather have two solid units of mrauders for the price of chosen knights. You said a unit of 13 warriors and a hero. There's a lot wrong with that. First off your bound to lose at least one warrior from the inevitable shooting, and therefore that extra rank is just more points for your oponnent when your beaten in combat. I always take a unit of 18, because if one dies, i still have a rank, plus 18 is descent, because if they are locked in combat, they can possibly do enough wounds that they might outumber. Becuase 5 is now the new minimum for a rank, 6 warriors can always get into combat now. Second off, warriors are perfect on their own. Their great abilities don't need to be added with a hereo's. When an opponent see's chaos warriors and a joined hero, most of their shooting has just been decided where to go. Take a unit of 18 warriors and 2 units of 23 marauders, putting mounted characters into each marauder unit. Placement wise, set two marauder units and the warriors smack dab in the middle.
Kage, a tzenntch champion on disc is great. Its cheap and effective, though I really wouldn't use it in smaller games. If you do take it, always give it the golden eye. Its a must for a tzentch character mounted in something better than a chaos steed.
Lol, I don't think I want marauders just yet, even if they are good and cheap. I think I will probably get a disk though, seeing as they look really cool.
I'm kind of a purist, so I don't really want beastmen in my army (plus the books another chunk of cash I'd rather not spend :rolleyes: )
I already finished painting a regiment of knights, and I want to slip them in if at all possible.
Oh, and any recommendations on how to paint the fire on the disk?
Last edited by Kage; February 15th, 2007 at 23:16.
Unfortuneately I'm not much of a painter. Sorry lol. I get one of my buds to painnt them for some cash. I know you don't want marauders just yet. I was just letting you know.
okay, thanks. It's just that I'm a really bad highlighter so I don't want to mess with bare flesh just yet, lol.
Okay, and I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but does a character that takes up more than one hero/lord choice still count as one character choice. For example, could you have one exalted daemon and two exalted champions in a 1k army or would that exceed the 3 character limit because the daemon counts as two characters?
Oh, and one final question. In a 2k point game, would you guys reccomend I mount my lord on a chaos dragon?
Last edited by Kage; February 16th, 2007 at 21:46.