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    Starting- Convince me to do Chaos

    Hi, just ditched spacemarines and want to move on to bigger and better things, warhammer fantasy. I'm sick of playing good, and really want to try my hand at evil, so im looking namely at Chaos. Can someone outline the benefits of chaos for me? How good are the greater daemons? I love magic, so if i did Tzeentch, what should i expect? And anything else you think i should know...

    thanxx!


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    Dumping Marines AND switching to fantasy!? Your in my good books already
    To explain the whole of the chaos army in detail will take me all night, so just a quick overview:
    Chaos have a good range of units for you to be able to pretty much whetever you like with your army, except shoot, you will miss out on that phase. But who needs bows or guns anyway!
    Any list can be made powerful in magic or combat, and the marks such as Tzeench or Khorne allow your army to specialise heavily in one of these, still producing a good army despite the fact it may lack elsewhere.
    I dont recall having ever seen a Greater Deamon in action, but they are quite nasty. They can be beaten though, much like everything in this game.
    If its magic you want, definitely go Tzeench. Their magic lore is one of the best around (rightly so) and this is where they win battles. It contains damage spells to suit killing every opponant.
    Unlike any other army, Tzeench relies on its magic to be completely overpowered, and as so much of the list goes into magic casting, it doesnt leave a lot of points for other things though. Personally I see this as a good thing, as it means you have less to buy and paint to be able to field an army.
    Their troops are some of the best available, even before you start upgrading them. Warriors are fantastic infantry, and Knights are one of the best Cavalry options around. Things such as marauders and beast herds are cheaper, more expendible troops, which play support roles. Then you have deamons with all sorts of crazyness, ill leave those to check out yourself. On top of ths you have Chariots, cheap Warhounds, Giants... the list goes on.
    Best thing to do would be to grab the Hoardes of Chaos army book (And Beasts if you nwant all the extra options available) then make a small (1K) list, and post it in the army lists section for people to take a look at and comment on. Above all though, you will only begin to see how things work when you start playing the game, so build slowly and practise as you go along.

    Im aware there is a lot i have missed out, but as i said, it would take al night to cover the army well. If you want any more specific information just ask, we're all happy to help.

    Welcome to Fantasy and to Chaos

    Deci

    P.S, just noticed this was post 666 for me...

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    hmmm let's begin with the pros
    -chaos models are awesome if painted properly; i think they're worth having, even if you won't ever use them...especially daemons or converted "human" models
    -to start an army you need a moderate amount of models, that is, you don't need to spend all your money in an army you won't like: to reach about 1000 points needs no great expense.
    -playing chaos imo is funny, always: i usually lose, but i enjoy the game anyway
    -a well balanced chaos army, used by a skilled player could beat almost everything out there (almost!)

    the cons
    -chaos models cost a lot of points with no particular meaning, you will field much less models than the opponent, and this is a great problem
    -chaos relies on individual strength of the models and not on numbers: you must choose which units to use, carefully
    -since you only have a few models, you need to use them well: a failed charge, a unit not employed in combat for a deployment error, an error at maneuvering; this all could make you lose a match. chaos is not easy to play.
    -in my experience, chaos has little or no chance of winning against some type of armies: shooting/magic-heavy skaven; shooting/unbreakable empire; orcs&goblins with many fanatics and trolls.

    overall, i've played chaos and vampire counts from some 3 years: i would NEVER recommend chaos as a competitive army for a tournament, but still for my personal fun I PREFER TO USE CHAOS AND LOSE.8X

    It's better, it's shiny, it's warped...it's chaos LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow_Man View Post
    overall, i've played chaos and vampire counts from some 3 years: i would NEVER recommend chaos as a competitive army for a tournament, but still for my personal fun I PREFER TO USE CHAOS AND LOSE.8X
    Thats strange you say that since at the 2 US GT's this year Chaos has done very very well:

    Las Vegas:
    -2nd (Daemonic Legions)
    -4th (Slaneesh Daemons)
    -6th (Chaos)
    -12th (Beasts of Chaos)

    Chicago:
    -2nd (Chaos)
    -5th (Hordes of Chaos)

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    thanks so much guys! =) Cant wait to start! ordering my chaos army book on ebay today =)

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    Wow glad to hear that!
    anyway i'm from italy and at the tournaments i saw, chaos was not so popular.
    i see you mention tournaments with multiple chaos players...i think chaos could actually make it against anything but a solid skaven/empire/O&G army;
    especially it'll behave well in a tournament with many chaos or elf players.

    the typical tournament army imo is
    -an empire with:
    arch lector
    2 priests
    war mage
    3cannons
    hellblaster
    2flagellants
    greatswords
    4handgunners

    or (less reliable)
    -a skaven with:
    grey seer
    3 warp engineers
    >30 jezzails
    >5 clanrats with ratlings
    warpcannon
    monks
    and some other 3-4 units of meat shields

    or an O&G full of fanatics, spear throwers and blocks (25 each minimum) of sturdy orcs

    against these type of armies i think any chaos would have a real bad day

    i'm sorry i don't know anything about those tournaments, but can you tell me what were the other armies involved?
    you made me curious
    cheers
    It's better, it's shiny, it's warped...it's Chaos.

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    I'm not an expert, but I think chaos can win anyone if played correctly.

    If you see a lot of night goblins, just put the furies or screamers near each unit from the beggining

    Against a magic skaven army, who will be better than a khorne army with thousands of dispel dices?

    Against empire... kill the war machines with the flyers and burn them with a tzeentch army...

    I'm not saying winning is easy, but is not imposible

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    Unlike any other army, Tzeench relies on its magic to be completely overpowered, and as so much of the list goes into magic casting, it doesnt leave a lot of points for other things though.
    Sigh....

    Deciever and i are at odds about this little topic, but hey, what works for some doesn't work for others.

    IMO, even tzeentch armies should be fairly combat proficient as the core of the chaos army is its superb melee ability.

    All chaos armies are proficient combat specialists. The marks of chaos, the daemons and the beasts of chaos act as either independent lists in their own right or as augmentations to each other.

    The VERY best thing about any chaos force is the absolute plethora of choices available to an aspiring general. In part because there are literally 3 different army lists for you to choose from and combine and because chaos is by nature, variety.

    We do miss out on shooting but if you really want some a dogs of war cannon or some leadbelchers will fix that for you. Or as mentioned, whack in some tzeentch sorcerers.

    Against a magic skaven army, who will be better than a khorne army with thousands of dispel dices?
    What if you don't have any khorne models?

    A balanced chaos force should be able to change its strategy for any foe that it faces, sometimes this is difficult against certain opponents but not impossible.

    I'm not saying winning is easy, but is not impossible
    Precisely!

    How good are the greater daemons?
    They are fairly good....against certain things.

    Even a bloodthirster doesn't fair well against a couple of great cannons or a hellblaster!!

    Their biggest downfall is that they are expensive, they are immediately the focus of your army and thus a target, and they are daemonic, making the list daemonic (Most of the time)

    Any way, the point to my story is

    Welcome to chaos!! If nothing else you WILL have fun!

    Regards
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