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I had a thought the other day, something a little out of left field, but I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it.
Scroll Caddies are common in most armies (everyone knows what one is), but with the new WoC army book, what would be normally be just a scroll corpse, is actually able to stand up in a fight.
So my thought was
"Can a WoC Scroll Caddy be turned into something more dangerous than just a scroll caddy?"
I know it could be considered a hefty chunk of points, but my idea to "upgrade" the Scroll Caddy was this...
Chaos Sorcerer - 285 pts
Mark of Nurgle, Dispell Scroll x2, Chariot -Mark of Nurgle
My reasoning here is thus.
1. The Chaos Sorcerer has the same combat stats as a regular chariot warrior, so you're not losing out in combat.
2. He also carries a pair of scrolls (which is what makes him a scroll caddy); and with MoN magic, you'd almost certainly go with Buboes, which is one of the more useful spells available to any Lvl1 mage.
3. The Chariot adds a level of protection to ward off mage-hunters, and also adds some extra punch to the army.
Is this an idea that should be forgotten, or is it worthy of consideration?
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You do actually lose out some. The crew have halberds, so you lose +1 str on 2 attacks. The benefits is the chariot's now US5. It could work if you like chariots.
It costs 20 points less than a normal chariot and frees up a special slot. It may not be the most ideal place for a caddy, but I don't see why you shouldn't bring one. With 3 casting dice though, don't expect to get magic off. Might just save your points and only mark the chariot.
In my last 2250 list I had 2 chariots, 2 knights and a shaggoth. I wanted to trade out the shaggoth for dragon ogres but had no specials left. By removing my caddy's steed and moving the chariot to his mount it actually saved me like 36 points or so.
Tbh, my advice would be to try it out. We need more people thinking outside the square these days- I wish I did it more.
Chaos Sorcerors are in an interesting position, in which they are wizards that can actually fight. They also come at a pretty steep price for said ability so something that can get them achieving something useful in a combat can't be a bad thing.
Unfortunately, you'd be more vulnerable to the mighty league of Chariot-assassins (like the JSoD, loose cannonballs, etc).
The one problem with using character chariots, is that the chariot must have the same mark as the character...so no character mark, no chariot mark.
Last edited by mpdscott; January 23rd, 2009 at 13:43.
Mysterious Member of the ANZAC Clan
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I think the assumption was that if you are making a level 1 scroll caddy, then you are probably not using a magic heavy force. If you are using other wizards, upgrading him to a level 2 could be pretty invaluable.
To me, it would definitely be worth the effort to target a heavy impact flanker AND a scroll carrier who is messing with my magic phase and causing trouble in his own. Also, if you can shoot the chariot out from beneath him, that's one vulnerable, slow moving hunk of VPs.
I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm saying that I'm not sure I understand why you would think that this is a valuable asset to your squad that can perform several jobs and harass the opponent fairly well AND at the same time think that your opponent will scoff it off as something not worth dealing with.
It's worth trying out definitely. Up till now I have just been using my scroll caddies as normal warriors in units once their scrolls are used up (Those few times that I don't go magic heavy that is).
"I am the architect of fate!"
When you put a character with a mark on a chariot do you have to pay twice. Once to mark him or her and once more to mark the chariot? That's 60 points more often than not...
I thought that the character takes a mark and then the chariot can't take a mark because it comes under the character's entry. Or am I being wistful>?
I actually checked the book a couple days ago about marking chariots. As I recall it says they can't have DIFFERENT marks. Doesn't say you can't have 1 with a mark and 1 without.
Also that's one expensive warrior. If I have a caddy, I hide the bumb in woods or something.
The major flaw I can see is being slain in a challege... with such a fast moving piece of impact damage you're going to end up chargeing something, and if this is within the first few turns he could get challenged and killed meaning no more magic protection. As was mentioned he's also a big target in a chariot and will draw fire, especially from a magical army wanting to own the magic phase.
It's a pitty there's no marauder sorcerers to take as scroll caddies at fewer points but for our armies if we lose a scroll caddy as our only point of magic defence then we're going to sink very quickly as soon as he goes down.
I usualy just stick him within a unit of warriors for protection and jump him out before combat, protected by flanking units so he can provide magical support. If you leave him too far behind he's perfect for fast moving/ranged mage killers and if left in a unit is prime to be killed in a challenge. Usualy the best option is sticking him in a unit that already has a fighty character in it that is tough to kill (if not nearly impossible) and that way he can use his attacks without fear of being challenged. Of course whatever's in base contact can still select to fight against him in combat so if you fear losing him detach him from the unit for the combat but protect him on the flanks as possible.