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    Ogres an efficient anvil unit?

    as title states, I'm thinking about using a unit of 6 chaos ogres as an anvil unit for my knights to flank against, as they can soak decent damage, mark them as nurgle, they move quite fast and are visually intimidating to enemy players who might throw more at them then is required, freeing up other units of mine to get into better positions.

    I know the current argument is that trolls are better, but I'm trying to find a use for every unit in our army book, as I recently purchased a box of ogre bulls and converted them to chaos ogres b/c I like the models better(used marauder shields for their gutstraps instead of the ones that come in the box, they fit perfectly!!)

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    here's my go at a list including the above:

    Chaos Sorcerer (210 )
    -level 2
    -mark of tzeentch
    -disc of tzeentch
    -power familiar
    -dispell scroll

    Exalted Hero (189)
    -mark of nurgle
    -BSB
    -collar of khorne
    -flail
    -shield

    Exalted Hero (225)
    -Mark of Khorne
    -juggernaught
    -axe of khorne
    -shield
    -Favour of the Gods

    Warriors of Chaos(15) (355)
    -mark of nurgle
    -shields
    -great weapons
    -full command
    -festering shroud

    Marauder Horsemen(5) (111)
    -mark of khorne
    -flails
    -musician

    Marauders(20 ) 80
    (150 )
    -mark of slaanesh
    -light armor
    -shields
    -full command

    Chaos Ogres(6) (350 )
    -
    mark of nurgle
    -great weapons
    -chaos armor
    -mutant ogre

    Chaos Knights(5) (290 )
    -mark of nurgle
    -standard bearer
    -blasted standard

    Chaos Warshrine130 (140 )
    -mark of slaanesh

    2000/2000 points

    juggernaught goes with knights, BSB goes into unit of warriors both have MR to provide for the units they join, sorcerer will provide magic defense and toss flickering fire here and there. what do you guys think?
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    I think Ogres will work as anvils against certain targets, mainly those with low static res. When it come to anvils though, I 'm not sure Chaos has a huge amount, the most common being Marauder blocks with the Banner of the Gods.

    There's no issue finding a use for Ogres - great flankers, and they tough, cheap and hit hard.

    As for your list, well, it really should be in the army list section, but I'll have a crack at it.

    You shouldn't really bother with that Sorcerer going on the offensive, just a waste of points for the odd flickering fire. Just use a scroll caddy.

    That guy on a Jugger needs to be inside a frenzied unit, too. If you don't charge, and you're hero is slightly in range, he leaps out. It may also force you to declare a charge when it's tight, just in case, and if you pull up short, it's a wasted turn. Frenzied characters should always be in frenzied units.

    And the BSB isn't mounted? You're asking for him to get killed. A Steed doesn't hurt his flail, he still joins any unit he likes and it improves his save.

    If anything's an anvil in this list, it's those Warriors, not the Ogres! Split the Ogre up into 2 units of 3, and try and flank with them. You can always use them as bait, since there's no hounds here at all, but they have a chance to rally. Get a Muso on the Ogres, not a Champion. You want to chopping up rank and file, not getting stuck in challenges (that Warshrine MAKES your champions challenge)

    It looks pretty good, but you can't do a thing against big scary targets. I see a lot of Chaos lists that have no protection from monsters, and if you're against a Dragon, it's going to be a long game....even a single Hellcannon gives you a chance, and he's a beast in combat...


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    I think you'd have better luck running the ogres in 2 units of 3 and trying to hit the flanks with them. One of the problems that WoC have is getting to the enemy intact. I'd try to squeeze in a unit of regular fast cav with MoS and maybe some hounds.

    To me, anvil means something that can be hit, and it doesn't move, allowing the hammers to come down and enclose around the enemy. Ogres are not an anvil unit. If a decent something charges them, they'll flee, just like any other unit. Their leadership is poor, and they have no ranks. Chaos armor and T4 does protect them better, but a cav charge will route them. Your warriors and maruaders (if they were a little bit bigger) could act as anvils, the knights and ogres as the hammers.

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    the only issue there being I'm already short on points and to mark/equip a second unit of 3 ogres is way over my points limit. I think I'm going to bring it down to 3 ogres and use them to flank with the marauders while the knights flank with the warriors. new list will be put into the army list section, this site is giving me all kinds of weird errors though and it won't let me post in that forum at the moment.

    so so far we have;

    -change sorcerer to level 1 nurgle scroll caddy

    -reduce ogres to 3

    might increase the marauder unit to 25 or add two units of 5 hounds to bait charges. we'll see. also might change the exalted hero on juggernaught to a lord. with a deamonsword and pendant of slaanesh, that combo is godly
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    I have to ask

    I have to ask, why is it godly?



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    think about it, the draw back to the deamon sword is you risk hitting yourself on any 1's you roll to-hit, pendant of slaanesh gives you an extra attack for every wound you suffer, so on the off chance that you do wound yourself with your own sword, the next combat round you'll gain and extra attack
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    I think I'd rather keep the possibility of getting wounded out of the equation.
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    I agree with Pinkus. I'd rather stay alive lol. Plus the maximum number of attacks is 10 anyway. The lord has 5, 6 with frenzy. If he gets wounded thats 7. If you roll a 5 for your attacks you're not getting 2 of those


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    ooh that sounds fun
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