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im a bit peeved in a game today against a chaos player, using marauder horsemen with flails and mark of khorne for frenzy, now too get around the must charge if able bit of frenzy he uses the free reforms thing of fast cav too turn the unit around so they cant see the enemy. i think this is broken poor and outside the spirit of the game as an opponent.
i want too know what your views are as chaos players on wether this is a sound strategy or just wrong.
As much as I hate it, it's in the rule perameters of the game. Same used to be done by turning a bloodthirster around untill you wanted to charge. It's not something I'm fond of and it does show who plays for fun or who plays to win...
I just started playing Chaos last week and I am running two units of marauder horsemen with flails and mark of khorne for frenzy and I planned on doing the same thing to avoid forced charges.
In the spirit of things, I really do not see anything wrong with that. I know that it is on the limits of "friendly play", but knowing the rules and how to "play" the rules is what sets players apart. If you anticipate that your oppent is going to turn his units around, then charge them in the rear. Remember that they will not be able to charge that turn if their backs are turned. You will blow right through that unit on a rear charge. +2 Combat Res for charging in the rear, I am sure you are going to get some wounds on them because of their weak WS and bad armor save since they are Fast Cav. They will fail their weak LD check, and problem solved. It will teach that player to think twice about showing his rear flank.
I play them exactly that way. 2 units. My gaming group has some very skilled players, but during our weekly game night we are by far not power gamers. While discussing the army book when it first came out, people loved the idea of me playing them that way. They thought it was original and creative and a good use of points. In friendly games they never once told me they thought it was anything but a good tactic.
I used it in a tournament, last game, both of us were undefeated and the winner probably wins the tournament. The guy didn't even hesitate about me doing it. He even voted me his best sportsmanship.
I guess it comes down to who you are playing against. Obviously if by me doing that in a friendly game I'll ruin the fun for my friends, I won't play them that way, but like I said, they have never even once told me it was against the spirit of the game.
Khornate horsemen reforming to face away the enemy is permitted in the rule book. I don't call it cheating, since it IS their capability as fast cav to reform. Its not like their gonna win the entire game by presenting their gluteus maximus to the enemy lines
That said, they are presenting their back/flank to your army. Easy points there? Its not like they are Chaos Knights. Horsemen should fall rather quickly. That said, Horsemen are baits though, so watch out.
Its in the rules, whilst being a bit of a cheesy tactic theres nothing to say you can't do it.
I don't use them myself to be honest as i like foot slogger esq armies.
So sorry matey, you'll just have to cope with it i'm afraid
its nullifying the only drawback too the frenzy rule that is really too hard, as for the rear charge, oh yeah there not a flee reaction comming at all is there? its twisting a rule so bad to gain an unfair advantage. im sort of not suprised that you guys like it as you benefit from it.
Erm, Dunno if you are aware. Units that are imuse to Psychology can't choose to flee as a charge response. (page53)
As those naughty Khorne marauders are frenzied they're imuse to Psychology. So no Flee response.
On a side note. What army do you play?
Last edited by Lord Borak; February 6th, 2009 at 10:47.
If that is twisting the rules, how about other units from other armies that are fast cav? Reforming Glade Riders? I don't see it as twisting/bending the rules as reforming is their capability.
Again, its not like they're gonna steamroll everything on the table. With single wound T3 you can shoot them down under their horses to reduce their numbers, or use ASF units before they strike. They are, imo, far from cheesy.
Its far from people who do the bone slinkee or anyone who plays daemons. :p