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Hey, is it just me or has the new list completely sucked the fun out of the what i would call "chaos" army? I had this feeling when i was writing a new list to get a nice little 2000 point force together...
I can't properly play a themed army.
I love Khorne, but I've never had a chance to play one, then i started trying to write a list, and realized i have NO magical defense. NONE.
So i had to put a few sorcerers in...
But that completely defeated the point of a Khorne list! I mean, sure, it would be totally worth it if i had some kind of magical resistance, and i could deal with being shot up by static gunlines because most armise aren't as hacky as us and deserve firepower to get one up on us, but to have no magical defense whatsoever seems kinda...rubbish...because not only would i get shot to death by dwarves and empire and other missile armies but i would be screwed over by all magic armies as well...
We also don't have any really, AHAHAHAH your face is GONE awesome trickerey, it just feels like a generic and bland list, with recycled fluff and makeshift rules....
Like i said, does anyone else feel a similar way?
I really can't think of anything witty to say.
Like any "themed" (which is just another way of saying highly focused) army, a Khornate army will be highly vulnerable to a specific kind of threat, in this case magic.
You still have options:
Scylla Anfingrimm: MR(3)
Collar of Khorne.
There is also a Chaos gift that provides MR(2)
Slam these on your heroes and they will provide decent magic resistance.
Also, Chosen can get a MR(3) form the roll on EotG. With Favor on your champion, getting it shouldn't be too hard.
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I totally agree, it's just wrong to have Slaanesh and Khorne in the same list, i dread that they will do the same thing to BoC. It's not just that the fluff makes no sense (times was, chaos hadn't already consumed the world because of infighting) it also changed the armybook too much, almost as much as giving almost all BoC's rares and specials choices to WoC.
I prefered the old rules and will be playing my BoC Khorne straight: none of this mixing crap.
I hate to sound like an "it used to all be better" fart, but i'm sorry, that's just how it is.
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Agreed, this mixing marks stuff is crap, and they know it. They just split Chaos into 3 armies (for whatever reason, probably financial) and because mortals didn't have a lot of choices anymore, they mixed in some BoC and took out any mixing limitations.
If this is the case, fluff-wise, how has Chaos not destroyed the world?
And what the hell are they gonna do with BoC when half their book is in WoC now?
Fear me, mortals, for I am The Anointed, The Favored Son of Chaos, The Scourge of the World. The armies of the Gods rally behind me, and it is by My Will and by My Sword that your weakling nations shall fall. - Archaon, The Everchosen, Lord of the End Times
So kind of a dumb question, but I'm fairly new... is it 'cheesy' to make a list using different marks on different units?... Unless Archaeon is hanging around..?
I think GW did a good thing when they removed the god specific lists. How the rules are written now reflect the awesome fluff in the book, it was reinvented in a good way. The northmen make more sense now, IMO...
Warhammer Fantasy: Warriors of Chaos, High Elves
Warhammer 40k: Eldar, Space Marines, Orks
I'm new to Chaos in 7th ed, and the mixing of marks is what ultimately won me over. I've always loved Chaos minis, but I felt the old rules pigeonholed players to a degree I wasn't comfortable with. I for one love the change, it's great for me - though of course I sympathize with the Chaos vets who've basically had the rug tugged out from beneath them.
@Coorran, I don't think so. The book has been designed to accommodate multi-mark armies. Mono-God lists aren't nearly as competitive anymore (as the OP relates).
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Last edited by Dfred; April 22nd, 2009 at 00:02.
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I must admit that I agree. While, personally I never would have played an all Khorne (all that frenzy makes it feel like a wind up army) I agree with the sentiment completely. Mechanically, our list has gotten stronger (well... no more chariots of Slaanesh as core, which was nice, but other than that,) but it's totally un-fluffy. Slaanesh and Khorne troops shouldn't be on the same side of the field as each other much less IN THE SAME FREAKING UNIT!!!!! For the love of the gods, mechanically I REALLY WANT to put a sorcerer of tzeench in my hoesemen of slaanesh unit, because it's such a strong choice, but I can't bring myself to do it. Hell, in Battlefleet Gothic, if you play chaos, and nemesis armies get to close, YOU HAVE TO FIRE ON YOUR OWN SHIPS. They hate each other so much, and it's the only reason they haven't taken over the whole universe. Hell, if no enemy god mixing (Khorne/Slaanesh Khorne/Tzeench Nurgle/Tzeench) rules were enforced across the board for chaos, it might make, DOC a bit less over powered, but alass, these are but lofty dreams, and they won't get a re-write for years. IMO, we DID become really strong, contrary the list-hate thread on the same forums... but much less so if you want to be even semi-fluffy. I'm sorry, but when in one game, units in your own army have to kill each other because of religious differences, in a different game (using the same gods,) you should not be able to put a champion of god one in a unit of the other god. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.... if chewbacca is a wookie, you must aquit.
On a personal note, I am disappointed that Khorne wasn't fixed for mortals, despite being fixed for daemons months before our books release. Really? mortals who worship the god are so fanatical they have to charge, but MANIFESTATIONS OF THAT SAME GOD'S WILL aren't ..... I call shenanigans on you GW.
If you want a decent themed Khorne army then you're probably best using Hordes of Chaos tbh.
Last edited by Phoenix; April 22nd, 2009 at 01:14.
So they split up the three parts of chaos into 3 separate armies? And thats why the mortal book has 5 selections from the beasts army. Doesnt seem like they split it up, but rather just took demons away from us.