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4 wounds, 4 attacks at str 5 or 7, depending if you wimp out on the Great Weapons or not.
Is it worth the 20 extra points for something that is, for intents and purposes, a combat character? I tried it but ran into disaster my first try, getting charged by the carnisaur with blade of realities and him having to challange was a serious handycap.
Should I bother trying again? what are the thoughts/opinions/experiences?
20 points for one extra attack on a one-wound, heavy cav champion is generally silly. However, 20 points for an extra attack on a four wound champion is a pretty good deal. The only downside is that he will get shot at, as unless your Dragon Ogre unit is quite large and spendy all shooting hits will be randomly distributed.
Still though, he'll survive (and may very well win) most first-round challenges, barring striking last in a combat with a mounted monster, and the chances that a Mov 7 champion will lose four wounds to shooting before he sees combat is pretty low. If you got the points, I say go with it.
if you could mark them or give them magic items I'd say go for it, otherwise, you still just paying for the ability to get 1 extra attack and get challenged, causing overkill against big guys. With the number of wounds they have, either they're going to survive and strike back or they're not going to be there. Being a champion doesn't help imo.
Don't forget if you have a chaos WarShrine he gets Eye of the Gods witch I think would be interesting.
I have to disagree!
It sounds nice, but what will happen when you're trying to bring down those big enemy's?
For example, a Dragon, a Ridden stegadon, Empire waraltar with the horstman speculum?
Your champion will get challanged by any enemy character who can. Than your nice 10 attacks ( when you have 3 in base contact) suddenly goes back to 4. The waraltar even steals your stats and than beats the crap out of your ogre. A stegadon will do his impact and than challenge. That's a waste of alot of str 5/7 attacks.
I'dd never include a champion in a unit dragon ogres, UNLESS a character is with them, only to protect him. idd stick those 20 points elsewere.
I'm with HK which I didn't elaborate as well as he did. 20 pts is a lot when you can get a full unit of hounds for just a bit more. don't waste them on somthing that at best will get you one more attack, but brings a ton of downside to it. You're just asking for a cruise missile to hit them and challenge making you roll break tests on a 4 or 5 at best.
Warshrine just makes your army have that many less bodies. It is nice, but pricey and only situational at best (what if they have highly mobile or minimal characters and no large targets)?
Surely the only reason a challenge can affect a unit is if the Champion that has been challenged would normally do more wounds than is allowed by the Overkill! rule, which is 5. A Dragon Ogre Champion is guaranteed not to do more than 5 wounds, being as the absolute maximum number of attacks he can have is 5.
Am I missing something?
I'm not talking specifically about "our" cruise missiles. I'm referring to any character that has high movement and hits like a fighty character. There are several variations (for example, WE alter noble usually gets 5 WS7 str6 attacks, several DE setups get the same, high elf on warbird, captain on pegasus) basically anything that can charge the dragon ogres, challenge out the champion, beat him to a bloody pulp and then make the rest of the dragon ogres run because their champ was bested by a character designed to put the hurt on.
Most high speed characters (could be called cruise missile as well) will hit on 3's and wound a dragon ogre champion on 2's with little to no armor save. 4 wounds is not impossible for one of these type of characters especially if they are riding a mount. Usually they have lots of hard-hitting, high WS attacks.
Last edited by buckero0; July 30th, 2009 at 21:32.
Yes, I can quickly see the scales weighing against the champion. He can potentially take a charge from a chacater and survive a challance, but to no real benifit, compared to the many drawbacks.
He has been eliminated from my list =)