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So I was looking at the whip of subversion and came up with some fun ideas for it, I'm just not sure if it's legal.
For those unsure it says that unsaved wounds are directed at the models own side.
So here are my questions:
a) in a 1on1 fight (not a challenge), would the model attack itself?
b) if the model had regen, would these effect still happen even if it passed its regen save?
c) if in a challenge, would the model have to attack itself, or its unit?
That's all for now. Anyways, let me know what you guys think.
Black Templar (W/D/L): 4/6/2
Dark Eldar (W/D/L): 4/1/0
Warriors of Chaos (W/D/L): 3/0/1
the only use i've thought of for this weapon is for hitting characters on monstrous mounts. use whip and helm of many eyes to ensure you ASF, maybe on a disc rider
attack the dragon/manticore/whatever hope you inflict a wound. Said mount will then wail on its rider - this could be hilarious vs someone on a manticore as they have killing blow xD
but even this isn't particularly reliable, I'd rather have a flail
actually the dragon doesn't have ASF so, assuming you charged or its round 2+ you could use it on the dragon
note: you override being the charger when both have allways strike first.
You strike in initiative order, even on the charge. I think high elves have better initiative.
sorry for the interruption! :p
Warchief Diggah o da Bloodmoon Squiggahs
Depends. The high elves Lords have higher Init, but the mages do not.
In any case, the highest Initiative for a dragon is 4, so pretty much any WoC Hero/Lord has higher. So technically you might be able to hit the Dragon before he attacks. A star dragon can pretty much ruin the life of any rider he might be carrying. Heck, a Sun Dragon might do it.
This is correct. If you don't have the Helm of Many Eyes then unless the dragon charged you will hit the dragon before it attacks, if you wound it successfully you can make the dragon eat its rider, of course you're hitting on 3's, wounding on 5's and then hoping they fail their (now) 5+ save
If you do have the helm, regardless of who charged the elf will go first, followed by the chaos lord, followed by the dragon
If i was going to build a chaos lord (using the whip) to take out a dragon riding elf I'd probably run something like this...
Lord, Chaos Dragon, Mark of Tzeentch, Chaos Runeshield, Whip of Subversion, Collar of Khorne, Word of Agony
runeshield to negate whatever magic weapon the elf has, whip because its theme, collar + tzeentch for a 5+ ward save, word of agony to stick D6 hits on the elf to begin
Say in first round of combat rider hits me takes 1 wound from me. I hit the dragon wound it it wails and kills its rider. He rolls a 4 on wild monster chart. Next round i strike first hit the dragon again can I say that the dragon makes no attacks.
I only ask because im probably going to be playing high elves next week with a guy who runs a star dragon list.
Last edited by whatfruit; October 14th, 2009 at 15:19.