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Hello, once again I got roped into a team game at my local store. This time I (WoC) am teamed up with a High Elf and we are verses a Darkelf and Vampire Counts army.
Each player is bringing 2250 pts to the table.
In most games I have witnessed the Vampire Count builds around the death star style with a black coach, Corpse Cart, and Banshees outside of his main force. I have never faced off or seen the Darkelf player so I am not sure what he will do.
My concern is the Ring of Hotek. If they use it I want to figure out a good (reliable and relatively safe) way of avoiding or removing it so that we can stunt the vampire counts magic phase and of course have a magic phase to bust the death star unit should we need to claim those points.
Thanks in advance.
That doesnt seem much like a deathstar - pretty easy to kill with WoC. Ensorcelled knight weapons will tear up those ethereal units. Add a hero or lord in there with a great weapon or flail to 1 shot the black coach. I think taking a GW & helm of many eyes would work here. Better yet, take Valkia as your lord to 1 shot the black coaches and to increase chances to get MR 3 from the eye of the gods table which would shut down DE magic fairly well.
This unit would terrorize his entire "death star". I think WoC has an easier time vs VC since they hit so hard and VC will crumble from lost CR. Rather than trying to remove the ring then using magic, just hit it with a couple units of knights + hero.
Get the HE to focus fire the unit holding the ring and other ranged units. Your job would be to go character hunting & heavy melee. I think taking more MR & focus on combat rather than magic will carry you through as you'll have a very hard time casting vs DE + VC.
You'll likely see a DE lord with the pendant of khaelith as well. If hes mounted on a dragon, bloodcurdling roar will be a decent way to take him out
Remeber to ensure that any time his mages cast a spell on 2 dice or more, to check they are not in range of teh pendant. For them to be useful they need to be close to teh front line, and Dark Elf sorceresss may not even be chosen, which is a good thing. If he is goign to take teh pendant, don;t worry about magical offense, go defensive with scroll caddies or High Elf magical items to help staunch the flow. The alternative is for the High Elf army to go ultra heavy magic - archmage, silver wand, Lore of Light etc, stadnard of Saphery etc etc to deal with teh VCs..
High Elves can take a reasonable amount f heavy artillery to take out Dark Elf units at range, and will probably butcher them close in, but it is important to try and overload his missile troops. I would actually focus on destroying teh Dark Elf force first, and then hit the Vampire force with both the HE and Chaos armies. This type of focus is easy with HE and Chaos as both armies have units with good movement rates and are capable of taking out their analogs (Chaos Knights vs Cold Ones, Silver Helms and Dragon Princes vs smaller blocks of DE cavalry, Marauder horse vs Dark Riders in combat..)
So we ended up having the game on monday. Undead did exactly what I expected of him, he did his usual 2 heroes and a lord in a unit of black guard with all the combos of banners and blooddrinkers and such. He brought a black coach, some skeletons, a corpse cart, a small pack of ghouls and that unit up there and caern wraiths full magic and all bound items on his list. The dark elf did something completely unexpected and brought a dragon mounted malketh, 3 bolt throwers, some dark riders, executioners, and black guards.
The Vampire count formed up on one side of the map and the darkelf the complete other side so it was easy to isolate and destroy the dark elf first.
My partner (HE) went no magic except a scroll caddy, did a lot of magic resistance and that banner that made him immune to magic. He basically screened for me. He also supplied some bolt throwers
I brought 2 hellcannons 2 packs of warriors, a block of marauders, a pack of knights, and some pretty mean heroes for close combat. I made a lord on a steed of slanesh with the hellfire sword/golden eye, which I used to hunt down the caern wraiths, black coach, and what I expected to be a good number of hydras that never appeared. By other two heroes were experiments, I did one with the black amulet on a steed of slanesh with the glaive of purification. The other was the standard axe of khorne + favor of the gods combo.
All in all it was a much closer game then I expected. We focused on the dark elf and got into his flank with our knights, my lord punched through the caern wraiths and over ran into the darkelfs bolt throwers taking them out. Outside of the dragon, we pretty much demolished the darkelf by round 3. I ended up making a mistake by engaging his dragon with a hellcannon. At the time time the dragon was set up for a rear charge on my warriors in the middle of the field across from the undeads deathstar unit. The dragon had been casting magic and breath attacking so I thought it was a good idea to keep him from doing any of that, but in hindsight we might have killed it with the 3 bolt throwers. The hellcannon held him from round 3 till the end of the game so I guess it did its job but we ended up not getting any points from the dragon at all. Towards the end of the game the Vampires pulled all of our heavy hitters into combat, I had a pack of warriors in his front, we had a lord and a unit of swordmasters in his flank, and my marauders had got to his rear and yet we still lost combat to his grave guards.
By the end of it we had a draw. VC/DE beat us by 499 points but at the size we were playing that was still within the range of a draw. It was a very strange game but very fun
Sounds good - yeah i'd agree that taking out malekith using the bolt throwers might have been better, and also kept him out of your hair.
i also would not have engaged his deathstar unit on teh front - a flank hit would prevent him from rezzing in the first turn of combat as his vampires will not be able to attack.
As for the front charge...yeah I agree. Due to a very questionable judgment on what a 45 degree angle looks like it became a high-low roll to decide if I was in his flank or not and I lost. My argument was that if you look at the square that an individual model in a movement tray sits on a straight line from one corner to the other forms the 45, my opponents decided that the front corner to the opposite back corner of the movement tray decided the movement tray (never mind the fact that his movement tray was a rectangle).