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On Warseer and other webs are discussed many rumours about 8ed, one of most hard hitting our todays army rosters are especially two of them:
1) % limits from earier editions of WHFB will return and will replace the current slot system from army books. Most iscussed rumour is that your core will have take more than 25% of points and you can have max 25% of points in your characters.
2) New magic system will generate power and dispell dice randomly and these dices are no more obtained via your ammount of caster levels. (example of such system is, that on your start of magic phase, you roll 3d6 and take the highest and lowest roll as a number of your PD, opponnetn takes middle roll as anumber of DD). Together with this Dispel scroll will generate x DD instead of dispeling automatically.
Both of these are rumours, and even they are posted by good and reliable sources, thay may not be ncluded in 8ed. So take it with a bit of salt.
My question is, how would you build your characters for 2500pts games - that means 625pts for your characters magic items and mounts included. For a good magic list count about 6-8 caster levels as "heavy".
I would say that under those rules any lord level characters are out of the question for WoC. With 625 pts you might get away with 2 heroes and 1 lvl1 or 2lvl2 and 1 hero. I will be quite satisfied if those are the new rules as this would cripple powerful char heavy list (dragon, greater daemon, 8+ PD list).
Last edited by dapredator66; March 10th, 2010 at 14:54.
25% points in characters = nearly no chaos characters at all
EDIT - What you may do with dragon models? No matter what army you play. They will stay on rack...
Last edited by Ota; March 10th, 2010 at 15:55.
... try Czech language ;-)
It seems that it is really probable that % limits are going to return. And it is expected that character limit will be 25%...
What I see as playable is for me something like:
Sorceror lord lvl4 + spell fam, golden eye, MoT, disc - 350pts
Sorceror lvl 1 puppet - 120pts
Hero - MoT, Disc, Flail, Shield - 149pts
@Ota: Zdravím Otu do Čech
Dragon models will be unplayabe: you will dont have points or, the game will be so large (3k+) that your dragon will be eaten by artillery. I hope, that %lmit will be not in 8ed, or that limit will be better than 25%... 1/3points seems better for me.
But accidently this rumours forced me not to buy two he kits and morathi for conversion until the 8ed will be out
That would make complete sense that you only take dragons in huge point games. Why is that bad thing?
"It is not necessary that whilst I live I live happily; but it is necessary that so long as I live I should live honourably." - Immanuel Kant
% idea's is 100% awful. Dice generation for magic through rolling!? Thats the lamest thing ive ever heard. If this all happens you can deff kiss this fantasy player goodbye, and NOT being able to bring what you want in a game, big or small, KILLS free thought in this game, and KILLS customization. Thank you for making this game even more one sided, and bland. Good job! Lets all get out our armies and play a game! They will all be the same exact thing for tournies know!! YAY!!! As long as mom comes in through with a few hundred dollars and a child to pawn off to the local gameswork shop as free baby sitting time, I'm sure all is good though right!? Who cares about the actual game, when there is money to be made.
Last edited by VampireCountsFTW; March 10th, 2010 at 16:19.
Vampire Counts-4000 Points
Black Templars-2000 Points
I see dragon not so strong in large games, opponent will have points that can spent in things that can actully fast kill dragon and there will be much more of these units in big games. But maybe it is just my feeling.
From mi side of view % are not s bad, but 25% in characters is strong, 1/3 of points would be better and ok. The problem which I see is spamming with cheap heroes/sorcerors... it is possible to make a unit of cheap gobbo heroes... same with rare options... if there will be 25% cap for rare and no slots.... U an actually have "skirmish unit" of 10 spawns in 2500 game.
Generating dice randomly is not bad imo, its not bad to have it with rule of transforming your not-used DD to bonus PD (and vice versa) in next turn via your casters and you have actually very nice magic system - you dont need xy casters just for dice spamming.
Of course it will be better when rules will be so balanced, that it will not be an advntage to have a 50% of points in characters...
As for the tournament level (excluding Ard Boyz), around where I live all tournament count the composition score for the best general. Good luck winning best general with a power gamer list. Last tournament I played there was one daemon player who fielded an extremely strong list. He butchered everyone he met and yet he did not finish in the first 5 position for best general even thought he had a lot of points. A 25% limitation could perhaps stop people fielding such disagreeable list to play against without affecting player who have a code of conduct.
Last edited by dapredator66; March 10th, 2010 at 20:25.
Very sad ...
Last edited by Ota; March 10th, 2010 at 21:06.
... try Czech language ;-)