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    Lord Kholek Suneater (605pts) ?!?

    Hi,

    Since I´m new on WoC army, I have been reading a lot (lists, topics of the week, etc) and I couldn´t find many lists using the lord Kholek. I think it is a cool model, I would like to use it but does it worth in a 2,250 pt game ? Is there any standard special list / protection needed for this expensive character.

    Thanks in advance for your comments,

    Kaznak.

    Last edited by Kaznak; March 26th, 2010 at 16:59. Reason: Speling

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    I think the majority of people don't play special characters, that's why no lists have him.

    Beyond that, he is epically good. Remember his weapon just says all wounds he does get turned into D3, so his lightning attacks do D3 wounds too. He lights up large targets and well everything else too. People like to combo him with Throgg and some trolls and such.
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    Because he's a big waste of 600pts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techmarine Rannon Zriker View Post
    Because he's a big waste of 600pts.
    hes not a waste of 600 points at all, in fact hes a goddamn steal at 600 points. he's one of the most broken characters in the game, but what can you expect from a shaggoth special character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkus View Post
    I think the majority of people don't play special characters, that's why no lists have him.

    Beyond that, he is epically good. Remember his weapon just says all wounds he does get turned into D3, so his lightning attacks do D3 wounds too. He lights up large targets and well everything else too. People like to combo him with Throgg and some trolls and such.
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    If someone tried to play that Kholek's lightning attacks caused d3 wounds too, I'd rabbit punch them in the aesophagus.

    That aside, he is trule awesome, unless the opponent has access to Pit of Shades.

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    I've thought of running an "Army of the Ancients" before, with Kholek, Throgg, some trolls for core, and then nothing but Dragon Ogres and Shaggoths, and maybe a L3 Daemon Prince as mild magic defense. The army would run upwards of 3000pts, be hideously expensive, and probably get rolled in any game I played with anyone dumb enough to play 3k. So... I've backed down.
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    Kolek is indeed a nasty character to face. But at his cost he will be hard pressed to make his points even in large games. He really is only effective if your opponant is taking lots of monsters as the Starcrusher then becomes usefull. I have the same problem when I take my High Elves led by a prince with a starlance on a star dragon, I have to make sure he gets his points back.

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    I'm really not sure why so many people feel that units/monsters/characters need to "make their points" in any game.

    They don't need to kill their own value in points in order to be worthwile. They just need to do SOME damage and deny the enemy their own points value.

    If Kholek killed a 200pt unit of infantry, and didn't lose half wounds or die, I'd certainly consider his contribution to have been worthwile...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_Roark View Post
    I'm really not sure why so many people feel that units/monsters/characters need to "make their points" in any game.

    They don't need to kill their own value in points in order to be worthwile. They just need to do SOME damage and deny the enemy their own points value.

    If Kholek killed a 200pt unit of infantry, and didn't lose half wounds or die, I'd certainly consider his contribution to have been worthwile...
    Agreed. People seem to forget if all you do is kill 300 points of your opponent's army (in a 2000+ game) without losing anything of your own, you've just won. Kholek isn't insane just because of his close combat and shooting abilities, he's insane because he has all that and better survivability than anything else in the game barring a Great Unclean One.

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