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I've just started playing Warhammer again, and play mostly against my friend who has a high elves army. We normally play a 3,500pt game, which i normally win.
However this time he is going to take a Prince on a Star dragon, and i was wondering what you guys thought about my ideas to try and stop this threat.
1st idea; was to take Kholek Suneater, great stats with S/8 and WS/8 also a large amount of wounds, and with starcrusher I think I would be able to handle his dragon.
there are however two problems here, one is catching his dragon and the other is that he will likely be taking 5 rbt which i can safely say will all be pointing in Kholek direction.
2nd idea; take a dragon myself, this would make it easier to catch his dragon but in combat, is most likey to get beat, not sure how i would equip the lord.
3rd idea; take to exalted heroes on juggernauts, with shields and glaive of putrefaction and pray that i can get into combat and get a wound.
i will also be taking a deamon prince level four mot and a hellcannon, so if all else fails i can always try to gateway or hit with the hellcannon?
kholek is a nice option for me i really like him.
If you have a DP and kholek and Chaos cannon you don't have to worry a lot of his dragon... if he's fielding it he will have one less hero... so if you go with good magic you'll overwhelm his defences... and remember kholek fires a bolt of d6 S6 impacts so you can blow his dragon with this and use your magic to get free of the RBT
If you go with a dragon I like a nurgle chaos lord with father of swords and armour of damnation, you get a little protection vs RBTs and get more chances vs the dragon prince
Admitedly Kholek is a good option against other monstrous creatures but most people cannot be bothered to convert him and he is a terrible expenditure on your points.
I personally recommend a chaos lord with the Mark of Nurgle, Chaos Runesword, Armour of Damnation, Shield and Daemonic steed.
This combination is pure nastyness overall as you get six strength 6 attacks with WS9, the enemy still have to hit you on 4s re-rolling successful hits but this is still good. Overall not too shabby. Failing that fight fire with fire and get a chaos dragon with this guy on top.
Last edited by Jared van Kell; May 19th, 2010 at 11:57.
Hard counters to Dragons are:
-A certain suneater
-Lots of magic
If he is going to invest in a lord on a dragon, his magical defense might be easy to overwhelm with double sorcerer lords. You can have a backup Exalted on juggernaut to counter if he makes it across.
Fight dragons with dragons. A lord on Chaos Dragon can easily match a star dragon, and since Our lords will most definatly chew up the high elf lord the Star Dragon takes priority. I have 2 words. Hellfire Sword. The thing causes D3+1 wounds, even if you do not sink the dragon with your attacks. You should be able to put enough wounds on it to where your dragon can finish it off.
If a Million Guardsmen die, that's a statistic. If one marine dies, that's a tragedy.
The problem with the hellfire sword is that high elves can get armour that makes them immune to flaming attacks. If you go for the dragon your wounding on 5s and its got a 5+ save against your attacks. With 7 wounds you are going to need some good rolls to take it out in a single turn. The big problem is that if the elf player smacks the crap out of your dragon you will be unable to kill his lord.
The man of tomorrow is judged by his battle today.
Easy solution, dragon targets the squishy T3 guy on the dragon, lord targets dragon, does around 2 wounds, multiplied to 6 wounds on average, although watch out for the star lance, +3 strength and no armor save can really hurt even your lord.The problem with the hellfire sword is that high elves can get armour that makes them immune to flaming attacks. If you go for the dragon your wounding on 5s and its got a 5+ save against your attacks. With 7 wounds you are going to need some good rolls to take it out in a single turn. The big problem is that if the elf player smacks the crap out of your dragon you will be unable to kill his lord.
It ultimately comes down to who gets the charge in this situation will likely win the fight. If you get the charge on his prince then the likely end is that his prince is going to die. However if he charges you then your lord is likely going to die, although Armour of Damnation will help out a lot here if he focuses his attacks on your chaos lord then odds will favour your lord biting the dust.
Whatever you do don't take a flaming weapon, your opponent is almost certain to take Dragon Armour of some descrption making him and his mount immune to flaming attacks.
There is some Nurgle stuff that reduces toughness or something and that sounds vicious against a Dragon, Glaive of Putrefication, I think it is.
The Rider probably has a re-rollable 2+ armour save with a 4+ ward and is immune to flaming attacks. so isn't that squishy but doesn't have great attacks
I agree with Hashulaman, fight dragons with dragons. Try a Lord with Glaive of Putrefaction and try and get the charge. Take one wound off, and next combat phase the dragon won't do anything. Armour of Morrslieb and Mark of Tzeentch gives you a 3+ ward against non-magical attacks, making him essentially invulnerable to the dragon's attacks.
You could also try a lot of Magnificent Buboes. Weaken his dragon and then kill it in 1 round.