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I was wondering if there are any of our units that are big enough to provide the hardcover bonus to our giants? With true line of sight, do I have to melt my giants legs down a bit so they are not so tall. I would love to give them nurgle giants a -2 harcover bonus as we advance the field. Because with all the shooting and poison around they don't make it very far.
I was looking at maybe screening with trolls as I thought they should be big enough, but looking at the river troll kit, I am not so sure it will work.
Any thoughts on this?
As i read the rules, you cannot provide the gigant with any cover modifiers, since its a large target.
Dont have the book with me here at work, so cant remember the wording excactly, but try looking up special rules for large targets in the 8th ed rulebook.
With all the Terrain that is in the 8th edition, your best bet is to hide him behind a forest or tower until he is ready to advance....
5000 pts of WoC, 5000 pts of Orcs and now 3000 pts of Ogres...What was I thinking ????
When I read large target I thought it specified it could not get the cover bonus from Obstacles. Which would be the fences and hedges and such. I think that other terrain and units might still work. I was just wondering if the trolls for example were large enough to provide the cover for being behind another unit to the giants.
Hounds only cover their ankles, so I guess they won't work.
So here's the way I understand it using the TLOS system. Again, I don't have my BRB with me but I remember there being a picture of just this scenario. It's something like; get at a tabletop level and look from the head of the targeting unit. If you can identify any part of the target unit's head, arms, legs or torso then the target is in line of sight (banners/weapons/wings/tails are not included in this determination so as not to discourage people from creating awesome models). If 25%+ of the target's body is concealed behind terrain/units, then it is considered to be in soft cover (-1). If 50%+ of the body is covered/concealed, then it is considered to be in hard cover (-2). Anyone with a BRB able to confirm that? I just need to break down and bring that damned thing with me everywhere. I understand that people are somewhat generous with this, since hounds aren't that tall, and probably wouldn't conceal 25% of a Knight's vertical profile.
There's a pic on page 41 BRB of a Giant hiding behind a building, enjoying him some hard cover according to the footnote.
Cover is determined by two things. Is the majority of your model/unit obscured and what kind of cover does the obscuring object provide? The Giant is more than half hidden behind a building, the building provides hard cover. Your unit of Spearmen might be half hidden behind a fence, but it only provides soft cover. Every piece of terrain will provide either hard or soft, after that it's merely a matter of determining whether the majority of your unit is covered or not. There is no 25%.
Other units provide hard cover, so the Giant would need to be 50%+ obscured behind another model/unit in order to earn the -2. I dunno. I don't have an assembled Giant on hand to make comparisons, but I gotta assume it'll need to be a pretty tall unit.
Another Giant, perhaps?
Last edited by Dfred; August 5th, 2010 at 17:22.
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Build yourself a HUGE warshrine and hide him behind that!