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I wish I knew how to create a poll, but alas that will have to wait for another time....
So when you are putting a killer list together where do you start ???
vs a certain opponent ?
Magic Heavy ?
5000 pts of WoC, 5000 pts of Orcs and now 3000 pts of Ogres...What was I thinking ????
That's a damn good question.... how do I build my lists?.... don't think I know, hehe.
I think I'm a sucker for fluff. I like to get a good idea for an army before I collect anything. My WoC army, I wanted a Malal Themed force so I started with an Exalted with the book of secrets [kind of dark warrior priest, who'd turned to Malal for the strength to overcome chaos..... I even tried my best to make him look like a warrior priest] and went for a first core of flail wielding khorne marauders [these represented his congregation who'd been whipped up into a fanatical frenzy.... like chaos flagelants, but not]
Champions of Malal rarely come together to form an army. Usually being incredibly powerful individuals. My lord is the champion of Malal who has a chaos horde bent to his will [well, he was a warrior priest, probably very good with words ] and he will send them to their doom to achieve his goals.
This in mind, I almost immediately ruled out things like chaos spawns, forsaken, giants, or anything that shows mutation as champions of malal abhor the marks and gifts of the big four. (I'll probably add some of these to my collection in the future and bend my fluff slightly, but hey, it's my fluff I can do what I want with it, hehe)
1) Read the army book
2) Write background fluff, and mary-sue together an general/demon/monster/wizard/thing that would sent out (or indeed lead) such an army.
3) Find a way to get a base-line of models with as many points as cheap as possible, to play a few games.
4)Go on from there, in what's half "what do I need to win" and half "what would fit in"?
I'm a power gamer. The fact that my army worships a pantheon of gods not unlike the Greeks and Romans means to me that I can just build a list and not break any fluff etiquette.
When it comes to warrior armies, I've been building them for so long I know what every unit and model can do and I have my favorites, you can call them my must haves. Currently I open up army builder and add in a warshrine and hell cannon right away. Then I'll throw 2 units of chaos knights in to start. Both tzeentch, 1 with blasted and 1 with rage banner. 5 models each. Then I add in my BSB on steed with a 3+ ward and halberd. Finally I add in my 2 units of 5 hounds.
Most of that can change as I need points. Sometimes I'll merge my knights into 1 unit of 6-8 models to conserve like 150-200 points. Or I'll just swap a unit out for 4 drogres if I feel like playing them.
Then I decide what I want in magic. Usually I go magic heavy and its hard to get a dragon into 2500 points, so I usually pick a lv4 and a lv2. I don't add any magic itesm except power familiar and infernal puppet just yet. If I feel like a demon prince, I'll put him in and usually knock my lv2 to a lv1 to save some points and have him just be a power familiar battery for my DP.
With all that decided I need to now fill my core. At this point I usually have roughly 25% of my army left, but if I went for a DP, I might have to do the knight combining to free some points.
If I want to play a very fast army, I just throw in 2-3 units of m.horse. But warriors on foot are nice, so I try to get a unit of 18 of them and then fill the rest of the core with 15 or so marauders. Remarkably, my current army has 18 warriors and 15 m.horse and it comes to ONE point higher than 25% core.
Then I figure out where I want to hide my characters. Obviously my BSB likes to ride with my raged knights to make a unit that can and does blow up any unit it touches. They've killed 28 models on the turn they charged before and that has happened more than once. I want my wizard usually with my warriors, so I kit out his items to help boost my warriors even more. Most notable examples would be the ironcurse icon and the collar of khorne to make my already defensive warriors even more so. I don't like having 2 characters in a unit, too much can go wrong and I don't like have wizards with knights. No much can kill a chaos knight, but a str10 template will do the job easy enough. If all I have is cav units, I'll probably put him on a carpet. That leaves my m.horsemen & lv2 left, so I had to figure out how to get him to work with that unit. I like the lore of slaanesh, I used to run a lv4 on a dragon ALL the time in 7th edition, so I know the lore very very well, maybe better than everyone else here. With the ability to throw more than 3 dice at a spell, a lv2 slaanesh sorcerer is very very useful. I can rage my units if I want, if I get #6 spell, he becomes a murderer and then against certain other armies, every other spell has its place. So I mark this guy with slaanesh and give him a slaanesh steed to make him fast cav. Now my support wizard is in my big flanking unit. Works great.
Then I play the army. After I've played it, I sit down and think what did good, what could do better, what needs more plays to really get a feel for, what can I add, what can I lose? Its always good to find things to remove from your army. We're expensive and need every point. We have so many good options, we can't afford to waste points on things.
As you can tell in my recent army list post, I've gone through several changes in my army. This week I'm trying a unit of 18 chosen. For my own edification, I've been numbing my army lists. I'm currently on version 6.0 (with a lot of revisions, I think version 5 had 5-6 minor changes, but adding a 450 point chosen block deserved a new edition). I can't find versions 3 and 4, but I have all the other versions saved on my computer and its funny how I can look at each army and see the thought process I went through for the next version.
I love army building and probably wouldn't play WHFB if I had to pick a cookiecutter force to play every week.
http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...my-2500-a.html (Fine tune my 2500)
Last edited by Pinkus; September 28th, 2010 at 13:47.
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I build my list based on units I think are cool, or units I have had experience with and know work effectively. Hence why I'm going to add Ogres and a Shaggoth into my army soon, since they're awesome, and I proxied a unit of 6 ogres in place of my usual trolls and they were a lot more effective.
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