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Ok, here's the deal: My chaos knights have absolutely devastated in the last 5 or 6 games I've played, they've far and away killed more than their points value in those games, pretty much sealing wins when I probably should have lost (or at least been a lot closer).
My group of friends/opponets have taken to actually dreading seeing them on the table, which of course means I both have a psychological advantage going in, and that they do everything in their power to kill/minimalize the knights no matter the cost.
Which brings me to the point of this post. My good friend plays a couple of armies, one of which is Vampire Counts. After watching his black knights get 'gooch stomped' as he likes to say, by my Knights, he has invested in a unit of Blood Knights (which anytime my army causes someone to by one of the most monetarily overpriced units in the game, I both feel proud and a little sad, but I digress) to counter them and basically use my tactics against me.
Ok, so I admit it, there is little in WFB that I fear going against, but these guys...well...they are a little intimidating. I'm not sure to hit them head on with my boys or to try to let my beloved warriors try to soak them while my Knights do what they do best. On paper they *are* better than my Rage bannered Nurgle Knights, but what about on the field? I realize they are a bigger point sink and that is going to make wiping the rest of his army easier, but I've seen what my Knights can do, and I am well aware that he has the potential for that as well.
So dearest brothers and sisters of Chaos, how would you deal with these hate filled, frenzied, Twilight fans? What advice do you have for ol' Sarge?
Last edited by sgtinvincible; October 24th, 2010 at 15:58.
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Big ol' Chaos general on an even bigger Dragon!!!! Try using small skirmish units to tempt them into a charge while trying to pull them out of position, thus, hopefully being able to flank (or rear!!) charge with a hero in a decent unit. Saying that havent read up on the undead for a while.
I see two non-magical options:
Option 1: 30 points of misery
I would bait them with a unit of 5 warhounds (who flee). Since they have frenzy and only LD.7, they will have a 50% chance of failing the restrain charge order.
Then ram the exposed flank with your own knights - thus avoiding any charge damage from lances.
Option 2: Don't Mess with Chaos Knights
Warshrine a blessing on your own knights and make them just as scary as his, add in MoK and Razor Standard (-3 armor is no joke when each of your knights is throwing out 3 attacks). OUCH.
Poor guy, 80 euros of metal models beaten by a free unit of plastic knights from the Battalion Box.
Last edited by Ascendo Tuum; October 24th, 2010 at 16:10.
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I'm a fan of the Rangers Standard, as it makes you much more maneuverable then him with the amount of terrain in WHFB games these days. Or, you could do what I do sometimes and run a unit of 10 w/ an Exalted Hero in there.
I can almost guarantee you that he won't shell out the money for an extra 5 more metal overpriced blood knights. At that point it's just better investing in a Lvl 4 lore of Metal wizard, or Balthazar Gelt if he plays Empire.
Option 3: Warrior Wall of Hurt
A Block of Chaos Warriors with Great Swords, MoK, and Razor Banner will also ruin knights. The only drawback would be poor manouverability and you will need quite a few to hit back after taking casaulties, 15 probably.
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Shadow Magic does the trick. Or Gateway, but Gateway answers way too many problems.
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Honestly, we have the better knights in all regards save for Toughness. Going with MoK and Razor should hurt, or baiting with hounds, as suggested.
Picking up Tzeentch will help you more against his knights than Nurgle is IIRC, and taking Khorne will put you on par with his attacks. You can pick up 6 knights for the price of his 5, by the way.
Adding knights to your regiment (boosted to 10) wouldn't hurt you either, or adding a BSB character.
I too was once scared of these "twilight" knights, but alas 8th Edition has diminished their power. Initiative dominates now, and as most other members have mentioned, giving your knights frenzy of some sort will have you killing most of his models before they can even attack back. A very attractive solution in my opinion.
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Awesome advice my fellows. Many thanks!
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