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Got a new dark elf army the other day and played some games. Let me tell you something. We're spoiled as all heck. You know how nerve racking it is to throw 6 dice at a spell and know you don't have a puppet, or how not fun it is to take a panic check and know you won't be rerolling a failure? Or how about practically having ward saves on every model? And being toughness 4 on top of that. And let's not forget our armor. I felt like my dark elves were dropping like flies. Still won the games, but geez oh Pete. The only thing we don't have is shooting and rerolling to-hit. But I'd give up all my DElf shooting for a hell cannon.
So I'd just like to point out, I now feel spoiled. I take things for granted that other armies can only dream about.
Hahaha, I feel no pity for you at all - sorry.
And when you are picking off heroes with bolt throwers with no armour saves? Or casting Lore of Metal spells on Chaos Knights? How about a mob of 40 crossbowmen with Enchanted Blades wiping off a unit before turn two?
Sure WoC are good, but Dark Elves are no pushover that's for sure, and they have a much larger array of tactical options in my opinion.
Now if you were talking poor old Bretonnia, that would be a different story.
If/when I get a second army, I will probably go something with serious shooting - maybe Wood Elves.
Sona si Latine loqueris.
Yeah, that's why I went DElf. I love magic, so that had to stay, then I picked a good shooting army that wasn't based off of toughness and armor.
Don't get me wrong, I might even consider DElf higher up on the power chart over WoC. There are just things I take for granted in the WoC army.
Nothing is higher than WoC. How dare you think such thoughts in this forum, may mighty Slaanesh curse you with Chaos Troll Stupidity for even mentioning it. Khorne demands blood, and Nurgle will undoubtedly cast Curse of the Leper upon your unmentionables tonight as you sleep.
Last night I watched a complete idiot of player bring a hoard of 40 warriors/Festus/2sorcerers, a warshrine, and 10 knights with Archeon completely destroying an awesomely skilled Dwarf opponent who pulled off amazing maneuvers/cannon-shots and charges only to get absolutely crushed.
Warriors of Chaos - Best troops, best knights, best magic, best cannon, best battalion box - just the best.
Sona si Latine loqueris.
I was actually thinking the same thing on Saturday Night. I've just started an Orc army and my first game was up against a Chaos army. Good lord it was like Lambs to the slaughter!
Warriors are so frightening when you're up against them. Orcs just do nothing to Warriors. Trolls did sod all. Goblins? well they were eaten by Chaos Trolls. The only thing in my Orc army that did any damage was the War Boss (he ate Festus and about 10 Warriors)
I'm appreciating even my Marauders now. WS4 ?!? I was dreaming if my Orcs were WS4. Chaos gets WS4 on it's Chod Troops!!!
Orc are a fun bunch and animosity can lead to some silly stories after the battle, but after playing my WoC I find them much too squishy. The only redeeming quality are the cool war machines at ridiculously low prices, and the vast numbers you can put on the battlefield. How I miss flickering flame of Tzeentch though....
5000 pts of WoC, 5000 pts of Orcs and now 3000 pts of Ogres...What was I thinking ????
Yeah, Warriors are certainly spoiled in regards to tactics. The phases that we do have, we do extremely well in. We have strong magic (although not the strongest), we are among the best in combat, and we have all the unit types to stay fluid in the movement phase. Not to mention we can take most of what anyone dishes out.
The Warriors benefit from being what the Space Marines of 40k once were: masters of many trades, failures at none.
Interestingly, in my test games, I was having similar thoughts, playing WoC, how spoiled I am from playing High Elves. I think this has much less to do with actual power though, much rather reliability. The More elite, and expensive units get, the more likely they are, to be good at their job. Mot Warriors with Shields can be trusted to hold a few rounds against but the scariest foe, just as white lions can be trusted to rip any monster apart they're aimed at. This gets you into a certain mindset, of relying on your soldiers. When playing a not worse, but simply less reliable army, you tend to still be in that mindset, and forget to make up for your soldiers flaws with numbers.
The Silver Knights of Tor Adrac (He): 26/2/4
The Spears of Slaanesh (Woc): 7/2/5
Battlegroup Chalybso (GK): 7/3/3
I how the OP feels. I have only played Chaos, in all forms for 15 years. Recently, I put together a High Elf army and took it to a tournament.
Had no idea how to play it and got destroyed. The army felt so alien to me that I sold it right after the tourny! I was just so used to high toughness, Ward saves, good psychology, that I played them like Warriors or Daemons and it just turned into a mess.
I can only imagine what my opponents were thinking as I was playing these games...
Anyone try running a list of ALL warriors yet? I would love to see it. With appropriate banners, I wouldn't doubt that we could be somewhat successful. Not too many other armies can claim that with their core.. Yeah, we're spoiled.