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    Correct Base Sizes?

    My army general is Valkia, since there isn't a model for her I custom made one. She's kinda top heavy so I re-mounted her on a 50mm/50mm base. The other day I was playing a game and a guy walked up and said I was cheating by having her on a bigger base.
    As I understand the rules; it is always okay to go up in base size, since that makes your model more vulnerable. The only benefit for me is that she takes up three additional model spaces, and therefore helps my rank bonus.

    Do I need to re-base her... again?


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    If the rule book says you can put a model on a larger base then I can hardly see how that's cheating. After all its not like you're abusing that rule, you're using a larger base to get around a modeling problem. Personally I'd have no trouble with it (as long as you wern't putting her on a silly sized base like a chariot base!)

    I did look but for the life of me i couldn't find where the rulebook states you can put characters on larger bases. I don't suppose you could pass me the page number could you?

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    I'm sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not familiar with the particular rule, not even sure if there is one, but I'd heard that at tournaments the ruling was that as long as the base was bigger it was okay. Since I don't play in tournaments it may seem a moot point, but I'm trying to make sure I don't break any rules.

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    It used to be like that in 4th ed 40K, and that notion has lived on ever since. However, on page 80 it says that models should always be mounted on bases the same size that they are supplied with, and models that don't come with bases should be put on a base of "appropriate size". I'd say Valkia should be mounted on a 25x25 base since she is just another infantry model, but as I see it the disadvantages of having a large base weigh up the advantage of taking up more space in a rank. So I would not call that abuse, and any reasonable person should go with that. Only if it was modeled that way in some weird setup to gain a certain advantage would I call shenanigans.
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    Okay, thanks. I started playing 40k after 5th edition so I didn't know that. Good information to have.

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    I don't care what base size it's on, I just want to see the conversion!

    But yeah, if it's not an extreme base size like a daemon prince or chariot (though she is kinda a daemon princess... could that be justified?), I'd be happy to play it. And I wouldn't imagine too many people giving you trouble over it.
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    So, we've got valkia covered, but can anyone tell me what base size a Hellcannon should be on? I'm thinking of converting one to save me time and money (I'd have to have it shipped to my home or ordered to my LGS). If I recall, I saw one mounted on a 50mm, but I'm thinking that it might actually overhang that by just a small amount, so I'd be stuck tossing it onto a chariot base.
    I'm thinking of using a Chaos Spawn as the base of the conversion, with large scratch-built cannon running along the spine.
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    First off. I want to see the Valkia model as well. I made my own one and put it on the standard infantry sized base and don't have any problems with it falling over..... thanks to a rather large chunk of metal . If you want to see it you can look on my profile or in the conversions topic. But anyway, yeah pics please. And most reasonable people will let you off with a larger base. Perhaps you could model 3 guys on it and call it a multi-base .

    And Sarathai the base size of the Hellcannon doesn't matter because you measure everything from the Hellcannon itself, not the base. So just go nuts, do what you want. This is what I did:

    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...-answer-d.html

    I made the base by using a movement tray and filling it with a flat sheet of balsa wood which i cut squares out so that I could place/remove the crew.

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    Awesome cannon- but what about measuring BtB in close combat? Especially considering that my cannon will probably be somewhat smaller? Eventually I think I'll be ordering a cannon or two, but I need this one for a tournament this Saturday. Kind-of a crunch here...
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    For close combat I just follow the measureing rules for a war machine. page 110 in the Main Rule Book. Measure from their base to the cannon itself. It should be pretty straight forward since the cannon is pretty much a square(rectangle) shape anyway. I would just use the body of the cannon as the reference for how many models can rank up to fight it. Crew are ignored for all these purposes.

    May be a good idea to just go through this with your opponent before hand just to make things clear.

    The actual size of the cannon model itself is 3x4 small squares on the movement trays. So if you don't have the cannon model itself but just a smaller one then it would be fair to mount it on a base that size and just measure base-to-base instead of using the above rules.

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