Welcome to Librarium Online!
ok after a few games with this lizardmen player at my store iv decided that i need some help on beating lizardmen as with the new rules and the fact magic is so broken they are almost unbeatable in my opinion
btw this is not how to beat a lizardmen player with are carnisaw or who has 4 units of sauraus in a 2k list or 1 who even uses an engine of the gods
no im talking about how do you beat the most broken list in the game
i.e. a slan in a unit of temple guard with a giant unit of sauraus warriors and possibly 2 units of salamanders
trying to cast any magic is just about impossible
if you hit the unit in combat then they will only last a few turns b4 he casts flesh to stone on them at which point your unit will lose combat and run
argh why does magic have to be soo broke, what idiot wrote the lores and the rules for magic
anyway any tips wld be much appreciated
as a lizardmen player I can tell you what to do.
1st off Magic phase - Try to keep your casters out of line of sight on the slann and priest if he is within 24" of the slann. Gateway/treason work well.
2nd shooting - the only shooting you need to focus on is the salamanders, they are evil. I always put these guys as the first 2 kill.
3rd combat - Temple guard are Saurus Warriors with +1WS Knights work wonders on these guys ( at least for me) as far as the saurus warriors go, a block of Nurgle Chaos Warriors will wipe the floor with them, since they are hitting on 5s'
Watch your deployment and try not 2 leave room for chamaleon skinks to deploy in your rear.
only the saurus hit on 5's
temple guard are WS4 so they still hit on 3's
and feed back scroll wld be useless as he has 5 wounds and a 4+ wardsave
i do use 3rd eye but remember you discard all 6's so magic is virtually impossible to cast magic against these guys
2nd the all 6s isn't as strong as you make it. there is a range on that, 18/24 and it is only on one wizard. This guy is in your head. I have only played lizardmen 3 times with WoC and all 3 times I tabled them so be sure your deployment is set up right,
Nurgle warriors vs Saurus warriors - You WIn
Marauders + flails/ hunt down skinks/salamanders (try to run 2 blocks so those damn skirmishers don't out run you). - killing skinks is very easy for combat resolve.
Knights against lizz I give them the rangers banner and run them right up the flank on the temple guard.
Also you are forgetting that our shooting is pretty good if the dice roll your way. You could blow up a TG unit/Steg with a few hits.
Also remember he will prob take cupped hands to redirect a miscast at you but you do have to be in LOS
ok i dont think you guy have played the tournament lizardmen lists as shooting the lizardmen only kills around 10 a turn thats if you get a direct hit etc
now 10 seems alot but when he has 50 its not that big plus he can just cast regrowth and they will be back up in no time
so no you cant blow up a temple guard unit with just a few hits, maybe in a 7th ed list you can but not an 8th ed list
also getting knights in the flank is not that easy but that is normally how i win if i do beat him
the cupped hands thing im not worried about
basically my main problem is just the giant units of temple guard
a wee maths hammer
i have 18 khorne warrios with halberds 6 wide
thats 24 attacks of which 16 hit of which 10 wound
he has 8 models in contact so that is 32 attacks of which 16 hit and 10 wound
we both dont get a save as we both have razor banner so -3 to save
he wins combat with more ranks etc + im down to 8 guys where as he is down to around 40 so even if i dont break iv lost my frenzy and now only get 18 attacks
+ there magic is just so much more powerful than ours and the only lore that really works is shadows which are all remain in play spells and so can be dispelled in his phase
that is why i use 3rd eye but even then lifee just isnt that usefull for us against lizardmen apart from flesh to stone
Everyone has advice but you have a counter for everything.
I'm more than happy to discuss tactics but when you respond like you do I don't even see the point.
Last edited by talismanictattoo; April 23rd, 2011 at 02:01.