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I haven't seen anyone posting any thoughts on using a manticore instead of a dragon for a mount. I know there is a big drop off in # of attacks no breath weapons etc. but isn't the pts saved make it a viable option? Your thoughts please.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need to pass a test every single turn with the manticore? It's a wild beast that can ignore your orders whenever it feels like it, no?
That doesn't seem like I'd want to bring along for the ride if one of my pricey and important lords is riding on its back.
I take it you just want it for friendly games because i dont remember it being a mount option in the current Chaos book.
Anyway, i loved to use them for my DE Lord in 7th,and now they have Thunderstomp they are even better. Killing Blow for helping to deal with tricky characters, if your rider dies it automaticaly gets the "Raaargh!" result, and as for the loosing controll thing,it hardley ever happens, and when it does all that happens is you gain frenzy. (i see as a bonus as you get +1 Attack).
basicaly you take a Ld test, if you fail you get frenzy, and then if you need to you roll to see if you loose control once frenzied like normal. And even then you can reroll this if you within range of a BSB if it still counts as "any Ld test can be rerolled". And it only lasts until you next turn, so come next turn your back to normal unless you fail rolls all over again.
you would need to fail 2 Ld rolls in a row (3 with a bsb) before you get any negative effect, and then all that happens is you gain an extra attack and concern about not getting into combat with him.
I think its a bit wasted on a Sorc rider and could mess up magic if you do fail multiple rolls. A Hero would be much better so you can be realy punnishing in combat.
its in the book for lord level characters, its about ~150~ pts less then a dragon, and it has killing blow. I use one sometimes if i can fit it in and not a dragon.
You take a leadership test or the mount and rider become frenzied. Now im a khorne player so this really doesnt seem like a bad thing to me. if you have a sorcerer on top then it may be bad if you then fail your leadership test and are forced to charge, but thats more of a positioning problem then a rule problem.
Manticores are pretty tough, they do a lot of damage, good vs heavily armoured troops because of killing blow, and they still thunderstomp and fly.
The problem is they have few wounds, and barely any armour. Usually when im running one i have a fighty chaos lord on it and my opponents always just kill the manticore first as its not that difficult to kill.
they are fun though.
If you are playing a very big game (8000+) you can do one strat I like; A shadow sorcerer on a manticore, with a beefy fighting lord on a dragon, if you frenzy into combat you can use smoke and mirrors to swap the sorcerer out for the lord on dragon and just jump back and forth as needed.
HellcannonsRcool beat me to it and had experience with one ...
Last edited by Blackheart; June 11th, 2011 at 10:57.
I think it is so rare to see is partly because there is not model for the manticore. well there is but it is ancient and unknown.
I actually thnk the manticore would be a good mount for a mage lord. 2 reasons:
1 - it allows for a flying mage that isn't tzeech. For a long time one of the advantages to tzeech magic was the disc and being able to position yourself anywhere to blast spells where they were needed the most. Well with this bad dude the option opens up to any lore.
2 - Challenges. hiding a mage in a unit has the downfall that the he will end up in a challenge when the unit gets into combat. This could be avoided with putting another combat character into the unit, but then you are looking at a very substantial point sink (300ish for the mage, 200ish for the hero, and prolly 300ish for the unit itself). Adding the manticore's KB suddenly makes it very dangerous to engage the mage in CC with any character.
It might not be a perfect choice but i can definatly see some potential here. I will have to experiment with the guy myself. Makes me regret trading off my old manticore model 4 years ago, but then again i got the shagoth in that trade and I use him quite regularly.