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If it becomes fact that in the next book Marauders won't get marks; will they still be worth having or will the current fashion of the marauder GW khorne slab die?
should marauders go up in points do we still see a viable and cost effective use for them or will paying the extra points for a warrior be preferred?
just a random thought on how the game dynamic might change...
I thought that 8th ed favoured the large rank and file units, but reading elsewhere it appears that GW are steering towards smaller units if that route is to be believed.
I'd just be interested in the thoughts of other WoC players in how they feel the game dynamic might change.
(...and partially because I have 60 marauders still on sprues unmade and wondering whether to not bother!)
Last edited by Kaleb Daark; May 3rd, 2012 at 14:08.
If the rumors about marked warshrines giving that mark to everything within 6 inches is true, then I'd say that marauders are definitely still viable. I know I personally would just plop a Khorne shrine between a unit of halberd warriors and my marauders. As far as point cost increasing, it all depends on how much they increase by. If they go up to 5 points a model, ehh I can sacrifice 50 points somewhere to continue running this unit considering how good it is (especially when you consider that you aren't paying for their mark, so you aren't actually paying 50 points more than you used to) If they go up to 6 points a pop, then I have a problem with them. That's 100 points that I would probably rather spend on warriors.
Where are you getting your rumors from? It's not even confirmed that we're the next book, even that is just a yarn from the rumor mill. Dwarfs are supposedly up next as well, and possibly the Brets. Word that it was one of those two waiting in the wings has been around longer than the WoC stuff. I'd still take any rumors that I hear with a massive grain of salt, and chalk it up to wish-listing.
However, if I'm going to be frankly honest about what I see happening to our book in regards to pricing and marauders -
Marauders will probably lose their marks. They'll probably also see a drop in some of their stats, the loss of Greatweapons, or a major points increase.
Currently they are the closest thing to "broken" that our book has to offer - WS4 S5 attacks for 5pts each. Not even counting Frenzy.
Warriors are probably going to stay the same or increase. However, Marks will almost certainly go to points/model rather than a flat cost. This means that no matter how you slice it, Warriors are going to be more expensive.
What's this mean for 'Rauders -
We'll still take them. If anything, it's going to be the Plate armies that are hurt the most by the update. GW doesn't balance things very well, and there's a fine line between "worth every penny of awesomeness" and "too expensive for Core". Take a look at the High Elves - they have great stats with solid options in their core, but nobody takes anything but Spearmen because when you start paying 13pts for a T3 Core model... it's just not worth it anymore. If Warriors go over 17pts with a Mark included, without the Marks or Stats getting better, we're going to see them drop off the face of the earth. 8th ed. is a numbers game, and Warriors aren't an army for that. GW is still stuck on 7 editions of "better stats > more men" but that's not the case anymore. They'll overprice our Warriors because they can't imagine a Warrior who isn't S/T4, WS4+ and I4+ with a 4+ save. That means that we'll be stuck using Marauders to keep pace with opponent's Hordes of Goblins and the like.
There's a whole thread in our section on rumors
http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...oc-rumors.html (WoC rumors)
Are you kidding? GW marauders kick ass without MoK. I use them without MoK. MoK makes an excellent unit better, but believe you me, they're excellent even without it. In some cases, the mark might even be overkill. Even without the mark, they compare amazingly well against other armies' special infantry.
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thanks for the input guys. As I said in the original post, it's a huge if and only speculation. So I suppose the real question hypothetically is how expensive would a marauder have to get to be discounted in favour of spending more points and getting a full blown chaos warrior. Anyway its all here say gossip and rumour anyway. But I thought it would make an interesting if pointless debate.
CS - I'll jut keep my mouth shut from now on and leave it at that.
Just a quick question, people always seem to equip their mauraders with GW not flails. Is there any reason for this, personally i think the I4 is one of the mauraders biggest strengths
Because the Marauders will very rarely win and break the unit in turn 1 of combat, and then having str3 in the following rounds = fail!!!
Yes their I is nice and all, but when you have a huge block of marauders of 40-60 like most people run them now, the I4 dosent really matter THAT much anyways, since you will have enough dudes left to fight most of the time. Because if the marauders are fighting badass guys (elite infantry/monsteorus infantry), they might do alot of wounds, but might take even more wounds back, and then they loose combat, but hopefully steadfast and will keep fighting next round as well and hopefully chew through the other troups eventually. Or if they are fighing chaff, they do tons of wounds and will proberly win combat hugely, BUT then oponent are usualy steadfast because they have tons of ranks (especially if they rank up 5 deep and your maruaders are horde formation and most people run them) Then they need their higher strenght next round as well....
I would never run flails on normal marauders, but i use flails on the marauder horsemen!
Well, to add a dimension to that calculation, who says warriors won't get a points hike? Or a nerf? As you said, it's pointless until we have a leaked codex. Or a real one. Which is why I restricted my response to disputing the assertion that GW marauders are worthless without MoK.Originally Posted by Kaleb Daark
Last edited by Marnepup; May 10th, 2012 at 05:46.