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I just bought 6 river trolls and I'm getting ready to convert them into chaos trolls. I'm thinking something like this:
On paper they look good, better than marked ogres imo (more versatile with vomit, harder to kill with regen, hit harder with S5) Only issue seems to be low LD + Stupidity. Anyone have any experiences with chaos trolls they'd be willing to share?
Definitely to troll. They rock house big time. Then you add in Throgg, and they rock house again and again and again.
DEFINITELY TO TROLL!
Trolls are amazing since they are cheap and hit hard for just about every occasion. One way to run trolls without leadership troubles is to take Throg who is an even better troll and a character to boot! I think Throg is probably one of our best characters. I did the same thing that you are thinking, I took six river trolls and painted them up with a pretty cool dark blue/purple/maroon chaos color scheme. If you look through the painted figs thread you can find some pics of my painted river trolls I believe.
If you do not take Throg then just run the trolls in front of your bsb unit and they will act as a giant bullet sponge and steam roller.
Trolls are a part of every army I put together, I just love them. Throgg makes them that much better.
Obviously there's the whole flaming attacks issue but what can you do? I mean not every single enemy unit is going to be hitting you with flaming swords lol. Just keep him close to your general and you're good to go.
I will drink your milk shake! I will drink it up!
I just bought my wife a mini-van, the gods of Chaos have nothing on reality.
I agree Throgg is amazing. Unfortunately no one plays special characters at the two stores I go to, and I think most tournaments don't allow them either. Is this just my area?
running them as a sacrificial sponge is something I hadn't thought of. If I'm facing a dwarven gun line I can even run them 6 wide as a screen..... hmm. I guess I originally thought the only place for them in the center of my army, or getting creative with a flanking general w/ knights and the trolls.
Yeah, definitely your area. Ask why nobody wants to use Special Characters - a lot of the 8th edition ones are completely balanced and in some cases almost necessary, and a lot of the 7th edition ones aren't nearly as broken as people think that they are, Warrior SCs are perfectly fine compared to the worst that's out there. Does your group also restrict things like the Book of Hoeth, Pendant of Khaeleth, Infernal Puppet, and Gunlines? No? Then they should just shut-up about Special Characters - they're all in the book, they're all legal, deal with it. But enough about my ranting.
You can still make use of Trolls without Throgg, our LD his high enough to keep them in line, just keep your general and a BSB nearby. Obviously, Throgg affords them a bit more room to roam free, but he's not a mandatory addition to the unit.
18 Trolls will wreck house. It's a large part of your army, you are forced to use them as your anvil, and without Throgg you are going to find yourself extremely short-handed elsehwere, but they are an absolute nightmare for your opponent. Hording Trolls, with Stomp, Monstrous Support, and their overall awesomeness is just a great way to prove to people that Special Characters are nowhere near the ugliness you can pull out with just a "basic" regiment.
Don't have the trolls to pull off the hoard. I'm thinking a unit of 8 of 2 units of 6 (I've got 13). I haven't used them before but they seem to fill the same roll as a warrior block. Just not sure if they're a hammer or an anvil. You thoughts?
I am going to toss my hat in about the SC discussion since I am a person who is extremely anti-SC. Also this is not a flame post so don't read it as such
The simple reasons for my dislike of SC are the following:
1) They seem to be discounted point wise or have larger access to magic items and abilities
2) From an immersion standpoint I cannot see a highly skilled and prestigious general leading such a small band of troops (2000-2500 pt games)
3) I usually see them as a lack of creativity
4) I don't remember exactly what happened in that game a few years back but the name Teclis haunts me and I refuse to ever play against him again.
I mainly do not like people who use special characters simply because they are better. Why run a level 4 in HE when you can run Teclis? I just don't like the simple plug a SC into a list that would normally run a basic lord because it makes a stronger list concept. If SC's are just used all willy nilly in low pt games then it takes away from how epic they are and the lore of the game which is a big driving factor of this game for me. Does it make sense to be patrolling or moving with your army and confront an small army led by a factions most powerful and prestigious commander? It would be like getting in a fight at a bar and instead of it being "some guy" it happens to be Bruce Lee. Maybe a bad example but maybe it gets the point across.
I say this because I am sure a lot of anti-SC people think similarly. Now with all this being said I would be down to play against a Throgg army if it is done well because it can be done in a very fun and creative manner. For me I respect effort from my opponent. If you run a special character in some cookie cutter build where it doesn't really fit and you haven't even tried to make the list or models (im talking pretty and tasteful conversions) fit the theme then I will tell you to go fly a kite. But if you love the models and really make the list fit the feel of the character and are truly into it then I see no problem because this game isn't supposed to be about shoving cheese down other peoples' throats. It's about really enjoying all aspects of the game (modeling, lore, interacting with other players and the game play). Also it might not hurt to be light on how often and who you use the 3d6 str 5 move in challenges as that may be considered "too much" to a fluffier player.
This whole post might be off topic a tad but maybe it gives you an idea of why your store's players feel that way and how you can maneuver in a way that they would like your list. I mean for as much as I hate SC's I would be very happy to play against a well done troll horde led by Throgg. It would be cruel to look at a gorgeous troll army and say "I won't play against Throgg. Oh and that makes that whole masterpiece of yours invalid."
Last edited by sdefreit; May 22nd, 2012 at 07:02.
Teclis is a character which should never be used, this coming from someone who personally owns 4 special characters and goes to a store where pretty much everyone has more than one of them. He is genuinely broken if used by someone who isn't a complete moron
“The ultimate philosophical question, “Am I human or machine” is answered by many people, “I don’t care, as long as I am”
- Myron Krueger
Not to derail my own thread but...
I have mixed feelings about SCs, some I think are just too good, particularly some of the lord level SCs. Some of them are so good that it changes the game - it's no longer a matter of playing better, but a matter of needing to be lucky to win. My examples here would be Teclis (nuff said), and Grimgore Ironhide - this guy has a 1+/5++, WS 9 ASF, Hatred and S8 in round 1 (S7 after round 1). Hitting first on 3s with guaranteed rerolls @ S8 is pretty pretty ridiculous. He costs less than a geared out Chaos Lord who is nowhere near as potent. You can even take him in a 2000pt game. PLUS he gives his black ork unit WS6 and hatred. I don't mind playing SCs, it's just annoying to see them used as a crutch.
I looked at all the Indy GT tournaments here in the US and I think all except skull of thrones bans SCs. Is that right?
But back to trolls...