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As a new player to Fantasy, I am wondering what magic items to give to my Lord and Exalted Champion.
If it makes a difference I have a strong core of Chaos Knights (10 Chosen 10 normal), screened by hounds with the flanks taken up by Centigors. A small core of Minotaurs act as bodyguard/personal retinue to the Lord/Champion. The army is then supplemented with the Keeper of Secrets.
Any ideas, plus reasons, greatfully received.
i know its not what you asked for but; im slightly confused by the army that youve given there... having a lord AND a keeper of secrets would mean its ~ 3k
so what are your other 2 core?
the minotaurs are the "bodygaurds" of your chaos lord?
for a start chaos lords rarely need bodygaurds... theyre quite powerful actually 8-D
but also this would slow down the minotaurs to M4 rahter than 6...
consider a mount for them and then you can either stick them with those hefty units of knights you have or keep them with the minotaurs
what would also make a difference is the marks your characters have...
and it also depends on how your using them, if you want your lord to be like a wall, gaze of the gods and armour of damnation...
if you want him to cut down high toughness then a halberd or sword of might would probably do for weapons...
for taking out other characters (and if you have the mark of slannesh, which you would seem to with the keeper of secrets) try bindings and either rending or greatfang.
there are a fair few decent combos out there if you can get over the points costs that is...
lets agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours are
Oops, sorry, I didn't mean a Lord of Chaos, he just seemed to slip in somehow.
The army is led by an Exalted Champion, who will be mounted on a steed of Slaanesh.
There are also two lvl 2 sorcerers, again mounted, Slaanesh mark.
I hope that clears up some of your queries.
With that, any advice on magical items?
This just happens to be one of my favourite chaos generals....The army is led by an Exalted Champion, who will be mounted on a steed of Slaanesh.
I usually outfit him with the gaze of the gods and an enchanted shield. (or a normal shield and a magic weapon of some sort).
As for the sorcerers, consider giving one the power familiar (for that extra magical boost) and/or using them both as dispell caddies. Magic has taken a back seat in the new edition and shouldnt be used as an overpowering element in your army (unless playing tzeentch or similar) but rather as a more tactical element part of which is preventing enemy spells getting by.
Thus the dispell scrolls and power familiar,
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I like to equip my heroes in the following way:
Exalted: GW, Helm of Many Eyes
Exalted: Sword of Might, Armour of Damnation
Exlated: Steed, Sword of Might
Exalted: GW, Armour of Damnation, Gaze of the Gods
Bray-Shaman: Staff of Darkoth, Dispel Scrroll
Bray-Shaman: Bray Staff, Power Familiar
Sorcerer: Steed, Power Familiar
What I want out of them is a cheap, effective killing machine. Most of these guys cost about 140 points, which is pretty goot for Chaos. I am one who relies on my heroes to get the charge and to kill from the get-go. I don't really buy in for defensive heroes. The only time to use them is a challenge against a Saurus hero or a Vampire. And as you can see I always go Exalted. I never use Aspiring, because the 20pt difference is a bargain. And I have yet to found a situation in which a Lord is better than two Aspiring Champions. Maybe against a Saurus Lord, but even then I'd hope to out-manouever them.
As for Magic, I never go defensive. The best magical defense is to rain magic down on the. And I never use sorcerers unless I want them mounted or I want to go Magic heavy and need a mortal general. There's just no reason to.
Beasts of Chaos (4000)
Chaos Marines (3000)
If you have a Keeper of Secrets, he'll be required as leader over your Exalted Champion, since his LD is higher. This would mean a daemonic army, is that what you want?
Oh no, that really upsets the tulip cart (sorry, a blackadder line).
I didn't read anything about this in the army book, I should have looked in the rules where I expect it's printed larger than life. But it does make sense.
Yes, this presents a problem as the whole idea is that the army is based on mounted Chaos Knights forming the hub of the army. Now, if my army becomes daemonic then mortal units become specials.
From the amry book for a 2000+ army I can have 0-4 special units, which covers my three units of Knights. Now, Warhounds do not count to the core number, so I am asuming that they do not count to the special total either.
That just leaves the Centigors and the Minotaurs from the Beasts Army Book. Now I haven't got that book yet (it's in the post somewhere) but I am right in thinking that both these are daemonic and therefore can count as my daemonic core choices? I'm not sure how you can core a Minotaur anything other than daemonic.
Comments as always needed.
you can make minotaurs core (another exception to the rule) but that is by having a doombull as your lord, which is basically a minotaur lord...
lets agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours are
First, I believe the keeper of secrets is a lord, hero and rare choice, so including him/her/it means only having 2 other characters in the army. unless you bump it up to 3000 points.
2nd, warhounds count as core if you have either a beasts or mortal army, but they'll be specials in a demonic army, and WILL take up a special slot.
3rd, everything in the BoC book (beasts) that is a special choice is still a special choice regardless of your general. So minotaurs and centigors will remain special choices.
By my count you now have 5 character choices, at least 6 special choices, and 0 core choices, so the army is very illegal. For your cores, if you use the KoS, you can only use furies (0-1) daemonettes, and mounted daemonettes (Chronicles 2004 or Storm of Chaos) as your core units. Daemons are much better off as support units, they are very expensive, fairly fragile, and not very versatile (can't flee charges, daemonic instability).
Honestly, I think you'd be better off not fielding the KoS. It messes up the rest of the army, and is rather susceptible to ranged destruction (especially from dwarves or skaven). It depends what you've actually purchased of course, but if you have the rest of the army already, its probably cheaper to buy something to replace the KoS, rather than buy another army around it.
Last edited by kooshlord; October 16th, 2006 at 18:16.
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Comsidering the kerfuffle it's causing your army list, why not remove the Keeper of Secrets entirely? You can replace him with a Chaos Lord and then some, which will make your army mortal again. I wouldn't suggest rewriting your whole list idea for one model.