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I think i posted this in the wrong section the first time.
Good morning and sorry to bother you all. I have a friend that has a tomb king army and i decided I wanted to build my own army and right now am looking at building a chaos army. at first was looking at chaos dwarf but is extremely hard to find the pieces to make up the army. Also being my first army I though I would ask the experts. So here we go. Can you have multiple allegiances?? like khorne, tzeentch, slaanesh? So far i have not picked up any pieces, will be doing that shortly. I am would like to get galrauch, looking at atleast 5 chaos knights, some daemonettes ( some mounted), army standard bearer, maybe a mounted lord of tzeentch, chaos warriors, sorcerors\mounted sorcerers. I have even thought about mounting galrauch with a lord of tzeentch or slaanesh. Or mounting them on a dragon/steed or something. does the chaos army still use dragon ogres? or centaurs? I am not sure about a point scale yet.. I believe he has atleast a 2k army. any help on this will be greatly appreciated. Also would this be a good first army for me?? or would another race\type of army be better?? Thanks in advance for all the help. Again I am looking to setup a powerful nice looking army. Also I was thinking about either getting bel'akor or archaon as well.
PS. My friends tomb kings army tends to like to use arrows.. even "asp arrows?
I was looking at using lord of tzeentch riding galrauch, staff of change, golden eye of tzeentch as part of my 2000point system? what else do i need to be able to have an army that is decent against arrows\magic but also semi decent h2h?
A chaos army is a good choice, but there's a few things to know about chaos before you start. First, you will almost always be outnumbered, but your troops are tough and opponents often fear them more than they should (Such as Chaos Warriors and Minotaurs). Paradoxically, you also have access to some cheaper troops which many opponents think are weak and thus underestimate them (such as Marauder infantry).
Your best and first port of call for getting a good idea about chaos armies, is to read through as many threads in the Hordes of Chaos army list sub-forum as you have time to read.
However, I will list a few units that you should have in any starting chaos army:
One or two character models to use as Aspiring or Exalted champions (or even Lords).
15-20 Chaos Warriors with hand weapons and shields.
20-25 Chaos Marauder infantry with hand weapons and shields.
5 Warhounds of Chaos.
Then fill in your army with whatever other troops or monsters that you like, such as Minotaurs, Dragon Ogres, Chaos Knights, Marauder horsemen, Daemons, etc.
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first of all if you take a marked lord he would be your general which excludes you from taking any other marks then the mark of your general (except undivided).
Second, mixing marks often leads to eyebrow raising lists. Like Tzeentch chariots that power the dice pool of Slaanesh warriors which are ment to direct enemy units right in front of Khorne nasties like Khorne Chosen Knights.
Second, chaos is often chosen by new players because their stats seem so insanely good. Which they are but it leads people to be blinded by them and they don't see the shortcommings of the army.
Example, nothing fights as good as a unit of chaos khorne chosen knights. But you pay many points for them only to be baited by a cheap 50 point unit and then flanked.
If you build a hard list with all elite units you will notice you will be outnumbered in most battles 4:1 or more. If you take the cheaper stuff they die pretty easily.
If you want a forgiving list to learn the game with you are best of playing Vampire counts or Bretonians. These are the easiest armies to be competitive with. Chaos requires more experience then most people realize.
If however you want to learn the game well and are willing to lose a lot of games in the beginning I would suggest High Elves or Dark Elves.
thanks for the information. I didn't know that chaos had generic dragons.. where can you get the models? anyway I wasn't set on galrauch just he was the only dragon I found. here are some things I have been thinking on. first with the chaos army.
I was looking at:
2 sets of 5 war hounds, dragon ogres, marauders, marauder horseman with throwing axes and shields, centaurs with bows?, 2 sets of knights 5 each (maybe one chosen set), warriors, and a couple sorcerors. What lords, generals and such would you recommend? I would want to put one general with my knights to up their leadership.
Under archaon horde I can have flayerkin as well.. can you tell me anbout these? I have not seen any models.
outside of chaos my first thought for army was dark elves.. but recently was looking at orcs and goblins with quite a few black orcs with the extra weapon.
I still wish I could find all the pieces to a chaos dwarf army.
thanks so much for the information.
Chaos don't have a generic drafon model. Theres nothing to stop you from using the galrauch model though as a generic dragon though.
I would suggest that you consider what Sylvester says. If you want to learn the game first then join a local club/ go to GW. Watch/ play a few games. Get an idea of what basic things do.
If after that you are still set on a Chaos army then I would suggest you do as Tzeetch Lord suggests and get a few basic things that will appear in any army you field. To be honest it looks like you are looking at the most powerful units first (dragons knights etc). I honestly think it would be better if you get:
some marauder fast cav
some chaos warriors
If you want to go further get a box of knights , maybe a chariot too.
But at that stage you are probably looking at over half the army. Chaos are expensive! You will not be able to fit all the stuff you want into one 2k force.
I would also raise the point of marks at this point. If your main opponent is tomb kings then you should consider one of his biggest strengths. Not asp arrows. Chaos are heavily armoured and tough so a few arrows shouldnt worry you. No, you should fear his FEAR! Undead cause. There are several ways to combat this with chaos, depending on the mark of chaos you want. Slaanesh will make you immune to the fear, khorne will make you frenzied (thus immune) but with tomb kings magic they shouldnt have a problem pulling you anywhere they want. Nurgle will make you cause fear (and thus be immune to it). Undivided will allow you a second chance against fear tests.
To be honest i wouldnt recommend Tzeetch against the undead. You get no psychology bonus and whilst you will have a strong magic phase he will be stronger. TK always are.
This is all getting a bit ahead, but you should read the marks and conside what kind of force you want. Try and concentrate on one mark and undivided at the beginning.
As far as the other armies you mention: Dark elves are VERY difficult to use well. I'd suggest waiting to use them. Orcs and goblins are a fun army, lots of new models and quite tough. Though if you want the most competitve army out there (whilst being the easiest to learn with) then Bretonnians are definately up your street.
A small footnote on chaos dwarves. Have you checked out ebay? Also - how confident are you with converting? You could use the massive amount aof plastic dwarves to convert up a CD army. See here:
Scroll down to Kris Aubin and see what he's done.
I really do think that before you start choosing what weapons to give troops, you play a few more games with friend's armies. So you have to wait a few weeks to start on your own army, it'll be worth it so you don't waste money on models you don't want.
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The more i think about this and after talking to some one at GW yesterday at the mall. I have decided to really try and find the pieces to the Chaos Dwarf army. Hopefully it wont be more expensive that a normal army. The GW rep said to go with what you like and for some reason I keep getting brought back to Chaos dwarf. I will probably make another one in the mean time while i find the Chaos dwarf piece. I have seen a few lists for the armies so now just finding the pieces.
On a side note it seems that a lot of people recommend bret's as a starting army. I will look at them more in depth and see what i would need for an army.. Are there any others that i should look at getting as a starter while i am looking for the pieces to CD?? orcs? ogres? or just bret's?
Thanks again for everything
If you want to go Chaos Dwarves then get the Battle for Skull Pass set. You get a couple units of Dwarves (you can convert the miners to Dwarves with great weapons quite easily) and sixty goblins which can be used as hobgoblins. You can either like they are, though they will be shorter than actual hobgoblins (I'd suggest a different paint schem then night goblins to avoid confusion) or you could convert them all to look like regular hobgoblins. You also get ten spider riders which you could use for wolf riders (use wolf rider stats...who's to say your hobgoblins don't rider spiders that move like wolves, but lost their poison ability and pass difficult terrain ability...maybe they are a different variant of spider).
Anyway, that's a couple ideas.
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