2400 WE friendly list, need help

[dennisdegooijer]

Hi,

I'm going to battle a high elf player.
I think that he thinks I'm going to play Orcs and Goblins, so i have the element of surprise

Lord


Spellweaver lvl4, Wand of the Witch Elm, Glamorweave(item) 335

Heroes

Noble Scout kindred, Helm of the Hunt, Spear of Twilight, Light Armour, Shield 144
Noble Wild Rider Kindred, Great Stag, Moonstone of the Hidden Ways, Spear of striking 210
Noble, Hail of Doom Arrow, Dragonhelm, Light Armour, Shield 119

Core

11 Glade Guard, Full Command 156
2x 10 Glade Guard, Musician 252
5 Glade Guard Scouts 85
2x 12 Dryads 288

Special

5 treekin 325

Rare

2 Great Eagles 100
1 Treeman 285

Total: 2299


this list leaves me another 100 points to fill in
my scouts are meant to "suicide" on his main wizard
my wild rider noble joins my treekin(does he have a look out sir?) and wil flank and obliterate any unit
any suggestions/comments are very welcome

[rothgar13]

If he's employing the very popular Folariath's Robe + Talisman of Saphery combo, your Scouts won't do diddly to his mage (he's immune to nonmagical weapons, and he turns magical weapons off!), so I wouldn't count on that. Not having a BSB and bringing so few Treekin and Glade Guard frankly doesn't sit well with me. Dryads are mediocre fighters - S4 is good but not great, and their being Skirmishers means they can't negate Steadfast, so it's mighty hard for them to break anybody. I think you need more shots and more trees.

Also, 3 Nobles? No BSB? That's wasted points. And no, a Noble in a unit of Treekin doesn't get Look Out Sir! rolls.

[dennisdegooijer]

so

you would say something like


spellweaver lvl 4 335
WoWE
Glamorweave

Noble 134
LA, SH
HoDA
dragonhelm
BSB

Wild rider noble 210
moonstone of the hidden ways
great stag
spear of striking



19 glade guard 252
full command

19 glade guard 252
full command

10 glade guard 126
musician

5 treekin 325

3 treekin 195

2x treeman 570

2399

this

more fire power and more trees and a BSB and less nobles

[ikbuh]

so

you would say something like


spellweaver lvl 4 335
WoWE
Glamorweave
Talisman of Preservation would better than Glam

Noble 134
LA, SH
HoDA
dragonhelm
BSB
Two Problems. First is He loses his bow when he becomes a BSB. Second, he's rather vulnerable.

Wild rider noble 210
moonstone of the hidden ways
great stag
spear of striking
Spear of Striking? There's a sword of striking, but I wouldn't suggest it. Dawnspear or Spear of Twilight work best with WR Characters combined with a Helm of the Hunt. In this case, I understand what you're doing with the Moonstone+treekin



19 glade guard 252
full command

19 glade guard 252
full command
Full command is worthless on glade guard. My suggestion is take these two squads...

10 glade guard 126
musician
And make them look like this. You'll get more mileage out of it. When your opponent inevitable charges your units, it's best to be ready to lose as little as possible. If you want a bigger unit, I suggest a unit of 30+ with full command, BSB with Silvered armor, and a beastweaver with Rhymer's Harp. It's enough to catch people off guard, but if you do it that way, make sure you're ready to support them.

5 treekin 325

3 treekin 195
Combine these two together

2x treeman 570

2399

this

more fire power and more trees and a BSB and less nobles

My two cents.

[dennisdegooijer]

so you say, skip the moonstone plan and just go face to face with the treekin
like 5 x 10 glade guard
and BSB with armour of destiny
and weaver with talisman of preservation?

he defenitly goes a unit of 20 white lions with greatweapons, flame banner and always strikes first. so flanking would be more reliable ik guess?

but the list would look like this i guess

spellweaver lvl 4 295
talisman of preservation

Noble 144
LA, SH
armour of destiny
BSB

Wild rider highborn 305
great stag
the Dawnspear
Helm of the Hunt
dragonbane gem



7 treekin 455

2x treeman 570

5x10 glade guard 630
musician

2399

my general is very weak now

[Sidewinder]

7 treekin
my general is very weak now

The Treekin bases are big. Would a fourth Treekin in your front row be all that useful? I would think that it would not be able to get into combat that often.
If you drop the seventh Treekin and run a 2x3 formation, you would have additional points for your general.

Sidewinder

[sirkently]

The Treekin bases are big. Would a fourth Treekin in your front row be all that useful? I would think that it would not be able to get into combat that often.
If you drop the seventh Treekin and run a 2x3 formation, you would have additional points for your general.

Sidewinder

Treekin bases are 40mm. The standard 5 wide, 20mm base models come to 100mm wide. 4 treekin will fit in against this formation, one at the edge, two full on, and one overlapping the other edge.

I always like to run my treekin 4 wide. Gets that extra stomp in.

SirKently

[ikbuh]

If you're going to run your Glade Guard in a giant block, you need to give someone a Rhymer's Harp, which in this case would be your weaver. The weaver needs to be using Beasts for Wildform so you have an advantage in close combat and your BSB should be using Silvered armor, which gives him a 2+/5++ save. If you give the unit the magic resistance banner, they will have a 4++ save against spells that allow it, but you are very vulnerable to Dwellers. You'll want to keep the unit set up so that you'll deal as much damage per round as possible in the shooting phase, and the turn before you think you're going to be charged, you want to reform so that you get as many elves as you can ready to stand and shoot and wildform must be up. The goal is hurt them as much as possible when they charge and then whittle down everything else after. If you can get it in there, a Crown of Command makes sure that you stay in combat long enough for you to Reform in to a more appropriate unit for fighting. Keep enough counter threats nearby and ready for when the charge inevitably does happen, which are Treekin/Treemen/Dryads/Wardancers, preferably the first two.

Now, does this tactic work? It can, but you're still sinking a lot of points into what is ultimately a T3 unit with no save. I find it works best when you're running double weavers. A level 4 Lifeweaver with a Deepwood Sphere/Rhymer's Harp, and a level 3 Beast Weaver with a Wand of Which Elm gives you what you need for Wildform, plenty of magic defense, and plenty of ways to keep your unit alive via Life. The three spells you want in order for beasts is Wildform, Curse, and Savage Beasts. The four you want from Life is Regrowth, Throne, Stoneform, Dwellers. This can only be done at 2500 points, however. You then also take a BSB with Silver Armor and Dragonbane gem and another noble with Crown of Command and Dragonhelm. Then take your unit of Glade Guard to fill your core with full command. Your magic banner can be one of many. Your top choices are with the one that gives MR1 (4++ save), +1 movement (don't forget the Harp also gives them strider), Banner of Flames, or our very special banner that lets your Stand and Shoot no matter what. Then, fill the rest of your list with Treekin/Treemen. Two units of 8x2 Treekin, a Treeman, and two eagles is probably your best bet, and gives you a little bit of room to play around. About 100 points or so, which means you can put a Branchwraith with Radiants in there for even more magic defense and then stick her in with a unit of trees.

That's 2500 points though, anything less, and I would stick to keeping them MSU because it's harder to support them.

[sirkently]

Very nice explanation for a big unit of archers there ikbuh. But he has 5 units of 10 with musicians. Not a big unit of 50. Oops, very nice run through of the large block option though.

SirKently

[dennisdegooijer]

ive looked to the reply's and made another list. my opponent and i decided to make it a 2000 points battle


Lore of life wizard lvl 4 350
rymers harp
dispel scroll

noble 125
Horn of the Asrai
the hunters talon

noble BSB 140
silver armour
luckstone

40 glade guard 504
full command

6 treekin 390

6 treekin 390

2x great eagle 100

1999

the hunters talon noble was to fill in points, so it probably will be replaced, though maybe i can snipe his BSB and Wizard with it
and i dont kwow what a better lore is in this list. life fore the lifebloom and regrowth, or beast for wildform and curse

let me know