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In our discussion about Forest Dragons, we had a couple of people make a favorable comparison with the Great Stag. Now, let me start by saying that I love the Great Stag with my whole body - indeed, a Great Stag in a unit of 8 Wild Riders is the centerpiece for my army. But for me, it's purely an aesthetic choice. Bullish as the stag may look, I find it to be saturated in coolness.
But from a game-effectiveness standpoint, is it really a better buy than just a steed? for ~35 points, we get much better strength, an additional attack, and a monstrous mount. Having used the stag in a few games, I can say the monstrous mount bit has never really had much of an impact. The Wild Rider unit is usually devastating enough that enemies rarely attack back or, in one case, the unit was just utterly demolished by leadbelchers.
Since the monstrous mount loses the rider the +1 armor, does everyone consider the stag to be a good value or no?
The big problem I see is the base size.
The stag takes the place of a wild rider so you're trading in 2 S3 attacks for a S5 attack (at higher WS). That is better but not worth 35 points.
If only the Stag had 3 attacks.
While we're on the topic lets consider the unicorn which I think is far superior to the stag. The problem of course is that you have to pay for glamourweave on the mage and the MR 2 doesn't work so well with wild riders. I have the model so I've been using it in my treekin for good effect, though certainly not worth the points.
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I don't like the stag simply because it can get killed.
I don't want to see my Wildrider noble walking!
Actually its 1 wild rider attack on the charge since the steed takes up 1 extra spot.your trading in your stag and noble/highborn for 2 elven steed attacks in 2 wildrider attacks (elven steeds get ws3 str3, but the wildriders are ws5, str4, 5 on the charge, and the 2 attacks later)
so on the charge its
2xS5 vs 2xS3 and 1xS5
after the charge
2xS5 vs 2xS3 and 2xS4
I would think so under the 2S3 attacks.
I personally quite like the stag its fairly survivable in combat and it adds extra unit strength to the unit making the fear causing charge a little more potent.
Generally speaking we need the wild riders to break the enemy in the first 1 or 2 rounds of combat or, lets face it, they will start to die rapidly. the stag sports two S5 attacks meaning it can take on the harder enemies such as dwarves and ogres with significantly better success where a elven mount would.... well suck. we loose the potential of attacks in favour of less, but significantly more powerful hits.
Considering 2 mounts against the 1 stag the stag is superior against heavier troops thanks to its two high WS S5 attacks. Meaning it will hit on 3's most of the time and wound on 3's almost all the time. Horses on the other hand hit on 4's and wound on 5's. The extra rider is the difference. S5 on the charge and 2 S4 attacks afterwards are a tasty prospect but if everything is going as planned we shouldn't even need that second round of combat :/
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The stag doesn't even give you the benefit of a champion for an extra 35 points.
The wild rider unit is already expensive with champion and war banner. Add a noble to that and you're looking at 300 points. Adding a stag is a bit of overkill I think.