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Now this may seem very simple to get around but i have an issue with the way that an opponent i play uses the spirit sword in games.
Having read its rules, it appears that its affects only work against multiple wound models such as characters or things like trolls etc which actauly have multiple wounds to lose.
This is where i have the problem, as my opponent consistantly argues the point that it carrys over into attacks against units. For example, his lord attacks a unit of goblins and kills one. Now this is where i would say well the goblin only had one wound to loose anyway, so the blade has no affect now, but he insists that the unit should take the required leadership test and suffer the extra wounds.
Others in my local gw when asked come up 50-50 with how it works but they are not dedicated WE players so i am seeking some experianced knowledge.
It only effects multi-wound models. The extra wounds do not carry over into whatever unit the slain model is in. This is a big reason why the Spirit Sword is hardly ever used. The rules say that the model wounded must take a leadership test with the bearer of the sword, and lose additional wounds based on the outcome. It says nothing about models in the same unit.
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Your friend is completely wrong.
Several arguements about the use of the Spirit Sword have ensued but at no stage do wounds from the leadership test "carry over" to the rest of the unit.
Attacking a ranked unit with a spirit sword can be suicide anyhow - unless you designate your attacks, each unsaved wound provokes the LD roll, potentially causing wounds to the wielder.
Last time I spoke with certainty about this weapon, I was promptly busted though. Regardless, in no way will those wounds carry over to other models. Wishful thinking on your opponent's part.
I very much doubt the wounds carry over. On the otherhand, I do think that the wounds still count for who wins combat which could be pretty helpful if he kills 3 goblins and then deal each one a couple of wounds overkill, but I'm not certain on this.
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Overkill is only in challenges. So conceivably in a challenge you could get extra benefits.
The only way I would use the spirit sword is on an Alter Highborn to take out an Ogre Tyrant in a challenge. And I would only take it to specifically take out the Tyrant, not as a part of a winning list. I just have this friend who loves his Tyrant and I want nothing more than to take it out with an elf.
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Yeah, the Spirit Sword is a character and monster-killer. Anything with a Ld of 5 or less can't do damage to the bearer. It's good for robbing Trolls of their nasty Regeneration Saves8Y.
Many thanks for your input.
Here I bring up the question against Monster mounts again.
Do Spirit Sword pit LDR against the victim or the general/rider leadership?
The description of the Spirit Sword says the "wounded model" must roll a D6 + Leadership yadda yadda... I remember some people were saying that the Mount always use the Rider/General's leadership when test against Spirit Sword.
p.78 under Character's Leadership and p.82 under General's Leadership, it only suggested that models may use their leadership for any "Leadership-based test". Spirit Sword isn't a Leadership test, it's merely a D6 + Wielder Leadership Value <> D6 + Victim Leadership Value, it's no way involving rolling 2D6 and comparing to the Leadership value which we called a Leadership test... also it wouldnt make sense fluffwise .. how is your General yelling at you going to help you NOT getting your soul sucked into the Warp?
Please tell me this is true! So that I could use my Spirit Sword more confidently. :happy:
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